Homosexual marriages- against the natures law?

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Forbes  #193216  Mon, 06 Feb 06 02:08 PM
The idea that the whole world will suddenly decide to go for gay marriage, whilst delightful, is quite fanciful.
  
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DragonBonez  #193935  Wed, 08 Feb 06 01:22 AM

Anybody ever thought about this angle before. It has been scientifically proven that the clitoris on womens labia is just an underdeveloped penis. A penis kept in developmental stasis because of the "Y" chromosome. When the "Y" chromosome is activated, it causes the production of estrogen instead of testosterone leading to all qualities that make us each our gender. So homosexuality is not a genetic mutation, since both genders of all human biengs carry both testosterone and estrogen. The difference is which chemical gets activated is based on whether or not the "Y" chromosome is present. This is how the argument by most people who believe that homosexuality is genetic, however that argument is flawed in that some humans are born with both sexual organs, or none at all. These people are subjected to their parents having to make a choice to determine their sexuality when they are born or shortly thereafter. The problem with this is that a great majority of these people only find this out after they themselves realize that they feel like a different gender than what they are.

Maybe this is the whole problem in the first place. Maybe at some point in time when the brain is forming, the different areas of the brain start to form into a pattern to which is the preference of the brain. Lets say for example a male, but at the same time the "Y" chromosome was present in the sperm at the time of fertilization and so the chemicals are released at the proper times to make a girl. Now you have a brain patterned after a male, but in a female body. This would eventually lead to an identity crisis at some point in time, and eventually to the person becoming a *** because of the preference for female relations. This is not the only theory, but may help explain why it is part of nature and not controllable by mankind. If the mind and body are in sync during development then the person is born heterosexual, but if the mind and body form in contradiction with one another, whether that be by accident or design, then that person becomes homosexual.

Homosexuality exists in all known living species on the planet, except plants, however they too can sometimes change gender if there is an overpopulation of one gender or another. Asexual species of plants and animals also exist on this planet. So what then, if man evolves or mutates, or whatever tag you want to confer to it, and becomes asexual as a species. Then what? Will women who can now have children on their own without the aid of males so choose to do so and make all of us obsolete. What happens if they became the majority, would then we all be labeled as freaks because we are not the "norm". So then we become ridiculed by them, hated by them or ignored by them with as much intolerance as we show those of us who are different among us now?

  
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Kriss  #200081  Thu, 23 Feb 06 07:20 AM

In the bible it clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. By natures law, it is wrong. By mans law it's more of, 'Well, I say, how dare you bring that subject up around me!?' while thinking, 'Gee... I wonder what that would be like...'

Personally, I think it's wrong... humans were put on this earth to populate... if they are unable, it is neither the man, nor woman's fault. in the bible it clearly states in Genisis 'Woman was created for man so that he'd never be lonely.'

Is he so lonely now that he turns to his brother? I mean, with females being 51% of the population, I'd think there wouldn't be a shortage... but whatever. As for the testosterone and estrogen, I say 'They make pills for that!!'

Not trying to hurt anyones feelings, just speaking my mind.

  
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Lazarus  #200246  Thu, 23 Feb 06 05:57 PM
 Kriss wrote:

In the bible it clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. By natures law, it is wrong. By mans law it's more of, 'Well, I say, how dare you bring that subject up around me!?' while thinking, 'Gee... I wonder what that would be like...'

Personally, I think it's wrong... humans were put on this earth to populate... if they are unable, it is neither the man, nor woman's fault. in the bible it clearly states in Genisis 'Woman was created for man so that he'd never be lonely.'

Is he so lonely now that he turns to his brother? I mean, with females being 51% of the population, I'd think there wouldn't be a shortage... but whatever. As for the testosterone and estrogen, I say 'They make pills for that!!'

Not trying to hurt anyones feelings, just speaking my mind.



*begin sarcasm*

So...it's the Bible that says so?!  Phew.
I am so relieved.  Since it's the Bible that says homosexuality is wrong, and I don't believe in the Bible, I can finally...woohoo!!!
Look out, world!  I've just gotten clearance to participate in a homosexual marriage!!!

*end sarcasm*


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Forbes  #200322  Fri, 24 Feb 06 12:01 AM

Kriss

You are of course entitled to your view, but not everyone follows the Bible. There are few who follow it completely.

If you think that humans were put on this earth to populate then perhaps you would care to answer one of the questions I put earlier in the thread that no one who is against gay marriage has answered.

If gay sex is wrong because the purpose of sex is procreation then is it wrong for an infertile man or women to have straight sex.

  
MrPedantic  #200324  Fri, 24 Feb 06 12:21 AM

I don't know, Kriss. A planet packed with tigers would be nice...or maybe chinchillas...or even parakeets. But humans? I'm not so sure. Have you heard those kids screaming at the checkout on a Saturday morning? I can't help feeling we'd all be a lot better off if their parents had plumped for homosexual marriage.

  
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YoungCalifornian  #200338  Fri, 24 Feb 06 01:46 AM

In the bible it clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. By natures law, it is wrong. By mans law it's more of, 'Well, I say, how dare you bring that subject up around me!?' while thinking, 'Gee... I wonder what that would be like...'

The Bible also gives explicit instructions on sacrificing animals as a means of absolving sin, but I don't see many Jews or Christians maintaining that tradition.

Personally, I think it's wrong... humans were put on this earth to populate... if they are unable, it is neither the man, nor woman's fault. in the bible it clearly states in Genisis 'Woman was created for man so that he'd never be lonely.'

Is he so lonely now that he turns to his brother? I mean, with females being 51% of the population, I'd think there wouldn't be a shortage... but whatever. As for the testosterone and estrogen, I say 'They make pills for that!!'

Do you believe in birth control?  It seems to me that your implication that only sex which may result in further propagation is condoned by the Bible.  Shouldn't that also apply to heterosexuals?

As for your comments regarding male loneliness, I can't really understand where you're coming from.  It isn't a matter of choosing men over women (well, unless maybe you're bisexual).  Gay men are simply attracted to women in the same way that straight men are attracted to other men.  That is to say, they aren't. 

  
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Leon1979  #201128  Sun, 26 Feb 06 04:24 PM
 Pyewacket wrote:
 Dillleilomo2005 wrote:
Natures law-that can be definited as a rule,which claims people should give births to babies such as man with woman

If you read my last thread, you’d see that my definition suggestion for Nature’s Laws = the way nature operates. Those operations that nature never violates. Laws that are observed, not made by humans. Natural law cannot "make claims". It simply "is". Also, it cannot simply refer to what "people" do. Natural law has been around far longer than even the human species. It must include all species.

However, in nature sexual behavior occurs for a variety of different reasons, not just for procreation (as you suggest). For example, some species use it to establish dominance within a hierarchy. Female wolves, for example, will mount males in the pack to display their dominance/leadership. Male chimps will mount every member of the band to show for the same reason. These behaviors are universal within the species and have nothing to do with procreation.

Further, if you are suggesting that homosexuality (and homosexual marriage) violates natural law (which I’ve demonstrated that it doesn’t) you mean to suggest that it’s somehow “evil or bad”. You might consider that Nature routinely expresses natural law through infanticide, cannibalism, and incest -- and all kinds of heinous acts that human’s don’t tolerate, so a “Natual Law” argument against homosexuality (or homosexual marriage) is groundless and pointless.

It just occurs to me that if you put the homosexual behavior in terms of "natural" law that exists in the animal world too, it would be equally reasonable to say that killing is according to the nature's law since animals kills each other for food or territory competition whatsoever. Does that make killing justified in human world too? Personally I hold nothing against homosexuals. I just try to point out the flaw of nature law argument.

  
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Lazarus  #201276  Mon, 27 Feb 06 01:05 AM
 Leon1979 wrote:

Personally I hold nothing against homosexuals.



I just had to pay some more attention to that line.  I'm sorry for my indecency.

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