Homosexual marriages- against the natures law?

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nona the brit  #278103  Mon, 09 Oct 06 09:06 AM
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Grammar Geek  #278309  Mon, 09 Oct 06 05:29 PM

J Lewis, I'm glad you found this. I was trying to desrcibe it someone not long ago, but I just couldn't remember the words, let along the wonderful way they are phrased.

This issue is really important to me, and I recently made the decision to leave the church I'd be attending because of their attitude toward it. If people are going to get up in arms about moral outrages being perpetrated against our children, could we please start with Brittney Spears as a role model?

  
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nona the brit  #280291  Fri, 13 Oct 06 03:17 PM

OSLO (Reuters) - The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the world's first museum exhibition about homosexuality among animals.

With documentation of gay or l esbian behaviour among giraffes, penguins, parrots, beetles, whales and dozens of other creatures, the Oslo Natural History Museum concludes human homosexuality cannot be viewed as "unnatural".

"We may have opinions on a lot of things, but one thing is clear -- homosexuality is found throughout the animal kingdom, it is not against nature," an exhibit statement said.

Geir Soeli, the project leader of the exhibition entitled "Against Nature", told Reuters: "Homosexuality has been observed for more than 1,500 animal species, and is well documented for 500 of them."

The museum said the exhibition, opening on Thursday despite condemnation from some Christians, was the first in the world on the subject. Soeli said a Dutch zoo had once organised tours to view homosexual couples among the animals.

"The sexual urge is strong in all animals. ... It's a part of life, it's fun to have sex," Soeli said of the reasons for homosexuality or bisexuality among animals.

One exhibit shows two stuffed female swans on a nest -- birds sometimes raise young in homosexual couples, either after a female has forsaken a male mate or donated an egg to a pair of males.

One photograph shows two giant erect penises flailing above the water as two male right whales rub together. Another shows a male giraffe mounting another for sex, another describes homosexuality among beetles.

BURN IN HELL

One radical Christian said organisers of the exhibition -- partly funded by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell", Soeli said. Laws describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the statutes in some countries.

Greek philosopher Aristotle noted apparent homosexual behaviour among hyenas 2,300 years ago but evidence of animal homosexuality has often been ignored by researchers, perhaps because of distaste, lack of interest or fear or ridicule.

Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are among extremes in having sex with either males or females, apparently as part of social bonding. "Bonobos are bisexuals, all of them," Soeli said.

Still, it is unclear why homosexuality survives since it seems a genetic dead-end.

Among theories, males can sometimes win greater acceptance in a pack by having homosexual contact. That in turn can help their chances of later mating with females, he said.

And a study of homosexual men in Italy suggested that their mothers and sisters had more offspring. "The same genes that give homosexuality in men could give higher fertility among women," he said.

  
Anonymous  #280427  Fri, 13 Oct 06 09:21 PM
Nona the Brit wrote:
"Greek philosopher Aristotle noted apparent homosexual behaviour among hyenas 2,300 years ago but evidence of animal homosexuality has often been ignored by researchers, perhaps because of distaste, lack of interest or fear or ridicule."

Most sexual activity between hyenas would look at first glance to be homosexual as female hyenas have penises. However, I accept that homosexuality exists in other animal species. Nobody has answered my question as to whether other animals apart from humans ever show disgust at another's homosexuality. Is there any evidence for this?
  
YoungCalifornian  #280634  Sat, 14 Oct 06 08:46 AM

Most sexual activity between hyenas would look at first glance to be homosexual as female hyenas have penises.

Female hyenas do not have penises.  If they did, they wouldn't be female.  In reality, they simply have an enlarged clitoris that looks like a penis.

  
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Anonymous  #281311  Sun, 15 Oct 06 08:00 PM
Depends how you define penis and clitoris. Hyenas of both sexes urinate through virtually identical appendages. Females of most mammals do not urinate through their clitorises. Somehow, they manage to fit the male's penis inside. The end opens up apparantly. Otherwise, its the internal plumbing that's different.

I'll call what a female hyena has a pseudo-penis if you prefer.
  
Forbes  #298326  Tue, 28 Nov 06 01:17 AM

Whilst studying animal behaviour may be fascinating, I am not sure it necessarily tell us anything about human behaviour. I do not think that the behaviour of, say, other primates should be a model for humans - I certainly hope that no human would behave like an alpha male baboon.

The fact is that some people are gay. They do not choose to be gay. Being gay is natural to them. Accept it is as one of the many ways of being human. What hyenas get up to is beside the point.

  
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Tidus  #303065  Tue, 12 Dec 06 01:05 PM
Oh, and just as an observation.  The title of this thread:  "Homosexual marriages - against the laws of nature".  Marriage has nothing to do with the laws of nature.  It is a man made practice.  Having sex however, is everything to do with the laws of nature, and it is nature that will decide which of us will have same sex partners, and which of us will have opposite sex partners.  And it is not the place of anybody to mess with that arrangement.
  
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Anonymous  #303092  Tue, 12 Dec 06 01:47 PM

Homosexuality is just one variant of sexual deviance such as fetishism, sadism etc.

If there is a law of nature there are surely exceptions to it.

  
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