I'm sorry, Barbara.

There was Nona and I and Forbes and you entered and I didn't realize it was not Nona any longer.

I know I won't convince anyone to my point of view. But Ahmedali said homosexuality is an illness to be fought and I cannot agree with that statement.

If I didn't say anything I would feel I was betraying my cousins and my friends.

I know perfectly well I am not going to convince anyone, but if someone can write:

As Islam prohibits homosexuality so as being a Muslim I condemn such act, nomatter IF it's due to ones sexual desire or IF it is natural.

I have to disagree. One is born homosexual as one is born blonde or blue eyed. There is nothing to condemn.

It is clear that Moragn cant be bothered to examine the posts and  posters carefully, because neither did I say  homosexuality must fought (in our communities as a battle) nor does the statement "As Islam prohibits homosexuality so as being a Muslim I condemn such act, nomatter IF it's due to ones sexual desire or IF it is natural."  belong to me. All what I meant to expalin is that not all of our desires are healthy; there are habits, tendencies which have deviated and one should strive to dirct them back to the natural stream and and flow. Homosexuality is an odd phenomenon, because it is impossible to  imagine how a male might be able to play the part of a female or a female to play the part of a male  in a relationship which has not resorted to because the real actors are not accessible, but rather because they would prefer it to the real and  normal situation.

  

Ahmedali111 wrote:

It is clear that Moragn cant be bothered to examine the posts and  posters carefully, because neither did I say  homosexuality must fought (in our communities as a battle) nor does the statement "As Islam prohibits homosexuality so as being a Muslim I condemn such act, nomatter IF it's due to ones sexual desire or IF it is natural."  belong to me. All what I meant to expalin is that not all of our desires are healthy; there are habits, tendencies which have deviated and one should strive to dirct them back to the natural stream and and flow. Homosexuality is an odd phenomenon, because it is impossible to  imagine how a male might be able to play the part of a female or a female to play the part of a male  in a relationship which has not resorted to because the real actors are not accessible, but rather because they would prefer it to the real and  normal situation.

Hello Ahmedali:

Yes I did examine the posts. The quotation is not yours, certainly, but you are treating homosexuality as an "odd phenomenon", too, so I wanted to answer two people..

It is clear to me that we are not going to agree on this one. For you and some other posters (including the one I quoted) homosexuality is wrong.

You cannot imagine how a male can want to play of a female. I think you are mixing things up, but anyway, it's your imagination that cannot conceive homosexuality. 

I won't discuss this any longer. Fortunately for me, my cousins, and my friends, we do not live in your country nor believe what you believe.

My cousins will come home and sleep in the same bed and kiss and hug each other whenever they need to and kiss and hug me and my daughter whenever they want to because that's the normal and real way a family behaves. 

Isabella

Yes,  to some extent I agree that is what they are looking for (tolerance and respect), but they don't need to be 'married' to have tolerance and respect.  Tolerance and respect don't come from a piece of paper.   It comes from good breeding and teaching in the home to treat everyone with respect. 

Basically, I think what they want is to normalize homosexuality and put it on a par with heterosexuality.   Gay and *** couples do not need (for that matter neither do heterosexual couples)  government or a church to 'approve' or 'acknowledge' their unions.    Especially if you live in a free country like America.  
There are already legal ways for committed couples to protect and provide for each other that is not a marriage contract.   So why this clamoring for government sanction?   The cry that we "love each other we should be able to live together if we want to"  has nothing to do with marriage.    Like I said, anyone is free to live with whom and where they want.  No one wants to stop anyone from doing that.   So that is simply a distraction.   So what are they after?   Like I said, it is an agenda to 'normalize'. 

The purpose of marriage is not to provide a vehicle for people to be 'in love.'   Marriage is for the propagation of the species.  The continuation of the society.  The protection of the children.   Marriage is not about the adults.    Let me repeat that:  Marriage is not about the adults!   That is why governments and churches look favorably on marriage.   That is why centuries of social history supports marriage between men and women.   I would think the homosexual community would recognize that it is in their best interest to continue to protect and support traditional marriage as the best way to continue to preserve our civilization.   Anyone who has studied the importance of the birth rates understands you need to do more than simple replacement  in order to preserve, protect and grow your society or country.   And who are the people who are doing this largely?   The heterosexuals.   So, is this heterosexual relationship more important to secular society, governments, churches, etc than homosexual partnerships?   The answer is yes!    A resounding yes!   So, I think it a mistake for the homosexual communities to want to change the traditional understanding and customary use of marriage.    Generally, homosexuals do not procreate.  Who will produce the children that will be the workers who pay the taxes and keep the society humming so that they can continue to live as they wish.      

Kooyeen wrote:

Are same-sex marriages possible in Spain?

Hey Kooyeen!
..not so long, I always see your posts and read them ! (I have to say that I really like the way you write!)

Thanks for that map, I see that only in Canada, Belgica, The Netherlands, South Africa and Spain homosexual marriages are allowed! Isn't South Africa a Muslim country?
In Spain homosexual marriages are allowed since 2005, there is a famous homosexual host who married four months after the approvation(?) of the law, do you know Jesús Vázquez?  http://images.google.es/images?hl=es&resnum=0&q=Jes%C3%BAs%20V%C3%A1zquez&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
What a pity, eh? Anyway, don't you think the death-penalty is too much?

Why are you against homosexual-marriages? Do you also think it's not a natural thing?