Homosexual marriages- against the natures law?

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Kooyeen  #382702  Thu, 21 Jun 07 10:42 PM
Hi again,
no, I don't think I know that gay... I mean, that guy, lol

No, I don't think marriages have much to do with nature, marriages have to do with "society". Let's just say I think homosexual marriages shouldn't be allowed in our society, but don't ask me why, I wouldn't be able to give a good explanation.
I'm trying to remember what an Italian politician and philosopher once said on TV...
I think he said that a marriage is a kind of contract. After you marry, you get some privileges in your society (or at least this is true for Italian citizens). There is no reason for giving the same privileges to homosexuals. Why? Because homosexuals can't procreate, and that makes them different from an eterosexual couple, which would instead be able to reproduce or adopt children and therefore has the right to get the privileges.
It is all about society. Love, sex and whatever you want to mention have nothing to do with marriages. Nothing stops homosexuals from loving each other, but allowing same-sex unions implies giving them the same social and economic rights of an eterosexual couple. Which would not be alright, unless you start to say that homosexuals should also have the right to adopt children and reproduce in some weird way in laboratory (sorry, I don't know the tecnical terms in English). And in that case I would not agree too, but, again, I don't have a good explanation right now. Smile [:)]

  
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Pucca  #382753  Fri, 22 Jun 07 01:16 AM
Hello KooyeenSmile [:)]!

 Kooyeen wrote:

 Why? Because homosexuals can't procreate, and that makes them different from an eterosexual couple, which would instead be able to reproduce or adopt children and therefore has the right to get the privileges.

Are you sure homosexuals can't have a children? Are you talking about men only? There are lesbians aswell, and, in a TV serie, a couple of lesbians had a baby just by taking the sperms of a man. Talking about having babies, I don't know when, I watched a film in which a man got pregnant and had a baby, maybe that will be possible in a future, who knows? Anyway, not all the heterosexual couples can have a children, what if one of them is sterile?

I think homosexual couples should have the same rights as heterosexual ones have, so, they should be able to adopt children, after all, what's the matter with it? Homosexuality is not an illness and it's not infectius, so, children brought up by homosexuals are as normal as the ones brought up by heterosexuals, nothing would change in my opinion.


  
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Kooyeen  #383329  Sat, 23 Jun 07 12:09 PM
Hey, wasn't there Nona's post here, after yours?

Anyway, I think that homosexual couples shouldn't adopt children or have children in any way. That would be against the basic laws of nature. How can a child grow up with, say, two dads???
I'm not an expert on that, but I think that growing up with two parents of the same sex wouldn't be good for children. In other words, I'm not sure what you said is correct:
>> children brought up by homosexuals are as normal as the ones brought up by heterosexuals, nothing would change in my opinion. <<

I can't imagine a society where "two dads with a child" would be as good as "a dad and a mom with a child".

If I'm not mistaken, Nona said (in the post that doesn't exist anymore) that in come countries Homosexual couples can have children. Aaaaaargh!

  
Pucca  #383349  Sat, 23 Jun 07 01:43 PM
Nona's post? I haven't seen it!

Why can't you have two dads or two mums? I am not going to say it's better or worse, but, it's not impossible. You are used to seeing a family composed by a mum, a dad and a children, but it can change, can't it?Smile [:)]

Hmm..can you tell me why isn't it good for a children to grow up with parents of the same gender? That won't affect in their being heterosexual or homosexual, right?
  
Kirakira  #383508  Sat, 23 Jun 07 07:11 PM

HiSmile [:)]. I agree with kooyeen that homosexual couple shouldn't have children

 As far as I know, among  factors that cause someone to be homosexual, there  is psychological factors. I have learnt about cases of men who is heterosexual but after several times trying homosexual relationships they become partly homosexual, they still have a wife and children, but they increase reference towards people of the same sex.  If a child is brought up by two homosexuals, his/her psychological development will be affected, especially in his/her early teens when he/she has to face with problems related to sex. After many years living in 'special' families, they may  think that homosexual relationship is absolutely normal and may try when they mature. Thus, the risk of being homosexual like his/her mothers (fathers) is higher than children living in 'normal' families. In my opinion, homosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to bring up a child, since the child's future will be affected negatively.

 However, I think there is no reason for opposing their marriages. The right to get married and live happily is for eveyone, not only for heterosexuals. Moreover, the explanation concerning social aids for couples isn't convincing enough to me.Homosexuals pay taxes like other people, so they have the rights to receive social aids when they get married even if they can't procreate, that is fair. If they believe marriages make them live happier and have a better life, I think we should support them to get married.  

  
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Pucca  #383618  Sun, 24 Jun 07 04:01 AM
Hello KirakiraSmile [:)]!

 Kirakira wrote:
 I have learnt about cases of men who is heterosexual but after several times trying homosexual relationships they become partly homosexual, they still have a wife and children, but they increase reference towards people of the same sex.  
That means that they are not able to say the truth, they don't want to be judged and are just hiding themselves from the real life.

If a child is brought up by two homosexuals, his/her psychological development will be affected, especially in his/her early teens when he/she has to face with problems related to sex.
Hmm..can I ask a question? If you have heterosexuals parents, you will be heterosexual. Howerver, if you have homosexual parents, you will be homosexual. That's what you mean, right? Then, can you tell me how homosexual people were "formed"?

 After many years living in 'special' families, they may  think that homosexual relationship is absolutely normal... 

..I don't live in a special family and think that homosexual relation-ships are normal...Thinking [*-)]
  
Kirakira  #383632  Sun, 24 Jun 07 06:28 AM

Hello Pucca

I just want to say that: The risk of being homosexual is higher if the child is brought up in a 'special' family because of psychological factors. Of course there are many other factors (kooyeen did indicate) like genes and hormones. No one can assume that a child living with homosexual 'parents' will be a homosexual adult and a child living with  heterosexual parents will not.

I my self don't think that homosexual relationship is normal. Being homosexual is like suffering from a virtually  incurable disease  (of course no one want to be in such a condition and this is not their faults to be homosexual), and 'a disease' can't be considered 'normal'. Homosexuals, in my opinion,  are symply people who have problems in genes, hormones, morphology, etc. They actually don't belong to any genders. Thus, their 'love' or 'relationship' is obviously abnormal and against natural laws.  I think they have the human right to love, to be loved and live a happy life like other people, and we shouldn't protest or criticize them. However, I don't consider their relationship 'normal' one.

  
Kooyeen  #383916  Sun, 24 Jun 07 11:57 PM
Yeah, I agree with Kirakira.
I don't know if children that grow up in homosexual families are more likely to be homosexual or not, I'm no expert, but I think it wouldn't be the same.
Let's suppose that children that grow up in homosexual families are very likely to become homosexual as well. If you really have nothing against homosexuals, then you shouldn't see any problem with that. There will be a significant increase in the number of homosexuals, but if you have absolutley nothing against homosexuals, it will not be a problem for you.
But if you think it would be a problem, then maybe you HAVE something against homosexuals. I think it would be a problem, so I think I actually have something against homosexuals.
I see it the same way as Kirakira. Homosexuals are not normal, that's the problem I see. However, as Kirakira says, that doesn't mean they don't deserve respect or they don't have the right to live. But I really can't tolerate a family where both of the parents are of the same sex and say it's "normal". How can that be normal?

  
Pucca  #384080  Mon, 25 Jun 07 01:42 PM
...and, what does "normal" mean? A family composed by a father, a mather and a child? I think that's not normal either, that's what you are used to, that's what you have always seeing but, you don't know if it is normal, do you?Smile [:)]

I think I have said this, but I'll say it again.

 - Homosexual parents = Homosexual children
 - Heterosexual parents = Both homosexual and heterosexual children (?)

..then, what's going wrong?
  
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