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maj  #24931  Sat, 06 Mar 04 05:42 PM
Do you really know what is right and what is wrong? because i don't.
  
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Chameleon  #24944  Sat, 06 Mar 04 07:23 PM
Neither do I.
  
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rommie  #24952  Sat, 06 Mar 04 08:47 PM
Hi guys,

I joined in this forum because, having read the rules, it seemed like a fascinating diversion. Many of these rules appealed to me. For example:

You may not be right for this section if you..
-Are overly religious, political, patriotic, masculine, feminine, irritable.
-Can’t take criticism.
-Are not used to serious, logical debate.

The following applies: (IMMEDIATE DELETION)
-No extremist comments.


I urge you to consider, however, that some of the posts in this thread are in violation of the rules of this forum. In particular, the statement "Sorry, but no amount of scholarly argument no matter how well written, will change the overwhelming majority of people's minds on this issue" is a direct statement that scholarly argument is not what they are here for. Furthermore, the statement "let alone the perverse behaviour we are discussing" is an extremist and inflamatory comment. Any gay people reading this post will surely have been insulted by this.

Another poster felt it necessary to comment about one poster's overreaction, saying: "I think it is easy to resort to that way, but it destroy the debate.....I think." I submit that this is correct. It is difficult to debate rationally with this sort of intolerance going on.

I urge you to enforce the rules on this forum more strictly. Some of us actually like scholarly arguments and serious logical debate, and it is difficult to conduct one whilst blind assertions of faith are submitted as "fact" which "most people know in their hearts", and whilst logical rebuttals engender hostility.

I request that you delete all posts which are in violation of the rules of this forum, and that you do not allow such violations to continue.

Thank you.
Rommie
  
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Woodward  #24973  Sun, 07 Mar 04 02:19 AM
Dear Rommie,
First of all I'd like to thank your well thought out contributions to this forum and especially this thread.
This section of the forum (Controversial subjects) was created so that people we could talk about / discuss those topics that are normally considered sensitive or could cause problems as mentioned in our forum guidelines. The type of comments that are mentioned here would normally be deleted immediately in any other section. Here it is a very delicate and fine line we are all treading as emotions can easily be stirred up and things being said can also be misinterpreted (there is a but of a languge barrier for some people here since English may not be their first language). With controversial topics there is normally no answer that is 100% right OR that can be supported by facts (they can be manipulated to the convenience of the surveyor).
While we try our best to moderate this section, the odd comment may slip through.

Thank you for your comments, we are trying our best (we are only human after all).

Rob W.
  
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Conus Lotus  #24976  Sun, 07 Mar 04 06:57 AM
Elena and Chameleon, you may be right. Perhaps my "passionate feeling about homosexuality" statement may have been a little out of order. I truly hope it wasn't actually offensive because I too believe that debating topics such as this is quite constructive and may help to prevoke thought amongst those that if not for such debate may not have stopped to consider issues such as this.

Rommie, the statement; "Sorry, but no amount of scholarly argument no matter how well written, will change the overwhelming majority of people's minds on this issue" is not a direct statement that scholarly argument is not what I am here for. I do not understand how you drew the conclusion that it was. I was referring to the overwhelming majority of people, not myself. In retrospect it perhaps should have been prefaced with "in my opinion" but that is also a matter of opinion.
So the guidelines for this section state;
You may not be right for this section if you..
-Are overly religious, political, patriotic, masculine, feminine, irritable.
-Can’t take criticism.
-Are not used to serious, logical debate.
The following applies: (IMMEDIATE DELETION)
-No extremist comments.
Rommie, you have appealed to the moderator/s on the grounds that these guidelines have been breached because I used the word "perverse". According to my dictionary, perverse can be used to mean unaccountably wrong. How therefore is the use of that word in any way inflamatory or insulting? Are people who frequent controversial debating forums really so easily offended? I for one don't think so. I give them credit for having enough exposure to serious debate not to be offended.
  
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rommie  #24983  Sun, 07 Mar 04 09:05 AM

Understood. Thanks for clarifying.

I'll be dropping out of this thread now, which is a shame because I would have loved to chat this through with Deepa, whose views are clearly very different from mine, but who nonetheless seems intelligent enough to engage in debate. Thank you, Deepa, for your conversation.

But I am not well equipt to debate in the face of others' emotional convictions which refute logic. This is my problem, I know, but that's just me. Unless all parties show a willingness to concede to being wrong, debate is simply a waste of my time. I would like to thank everyone who contributed rationally to this thread. I have enjoyed my time here, but I don't have enough of it to remain involved.Sad [:(] Good luck everyone else, and I wish you all the best in this discussion.

Rommie
  
Clive Woodward  #24990  Sun, 07 Mar 04 11:40 AM
In conventional debates the topic of the debate is defined. So far the topic of this debate has not been defined. Would anyone like to take a stab at it?
What is `natures law` for example?
  
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peter  #25010  Sun, 07 Mar 04 02:52 PM
I agree with woodward on that one. The topic should be more clearly defined it seems as though the thread is not discussing any one particular point but has got caught up in a lot of emotional turbulence.

To address another point (which is tricky):

You may not be right for this section if you..
-Are overly religious, political, patriotic, masculine, feminine, irritable.

The key word there is OVERLY. Remember that religions, political orientations, nations, sexes and emotions all constitute part of the topics that we are seeking to understand. In order to debate these ideas it is then necessary to include your standpoint in these areas no?

But mostly here I am at a loss as to what the discussion actually is. If your feelings are strong then perhaps for a moment you should state exactly what it is you are getting at. Fight with 4 foot machetes if you must, but do explain your standpoint.
  
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brion  #25348  Thu, 11 Mar 04 01:25 PM
It must be wonderful to KNOW what the
overwhelming majority think.
Tony Blair is another who KNOWS.
The day after the Two Towers he KNEW that
the overwhelming majority of Muslims were against
the Terrorist attack. Poor dopey old me, I don't
even Know what the Bloke next door thinks
about Homosexual marriage.
  
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