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Guest  #44636  Tue, 07 Sep 04 07:39 PM
uhh.... i was just wondering... this debate is kinda one-sided....wouldn't you agree? there's absolutely no one condemning homosexuality, not even on the web, with a justifyable reason (although there was this one site that said it was destroying our families or something.... although i dont agree with that..)
i have been searching and have found not one valid reason against it.
hasn't this thread kinda died out?
  
Conus Lotus  #44674  Wed, 08 Sep 04 02:03 AM
Died out? Not at all. You just rekindled it!
Didn't you notice that over the last few weeks many states in the U.S. have actually legislated to make gay marriages impossible?
Jeez, I wonder why! Maybe they believe homosexuality is a cancer affecting social fibre.
  
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Guest  #44983  Fri, 10 Sep 04 04:40 AM
Hi,all:
I don't read all your message,because there are so much opponent, I am a natural girl,but I can accept homosexual marriages,because marriage is not the point,marriage or not ,they will be together. they are not baddie, only different on sex tendency,that's their intimacy,not our business.
Only hope everybody happy in every day,and I think I not only can accept homosexual but also can be their friend in my way.
Best wishes to all person on the same earth!
Lucia
  
sherrybaby  #45029  Fri, 10 Sep 04 11:32 AM
I don't think there should be some laws against Homosexual marriages. Everyone has his own right to choose his favourite life style as long as his way of life doesn't hurt other people or break the law.
All of us are common people and have all kind of different desires. Maybe we should be easier and more understanding dealing with those minority of the soceity.
  
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mattman  #46023  Fri, 17 Sep 04 05:17 PM
Wow! Talk about some very interesting posts.

Sherry hit the nail on the head in my book. Well said.

  
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Dawn04  #52401  Thu, 28 Oct 04 12:33 AM
Natural law is one law for all people. This was created by the Greek Stoics to create order during the Hellenstic period. I'm not really sure what all the laws of nature would include. But in any case homosexuality is condradictory to procreation, by nature.
  
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Elena  #52547  Thu, 28 Oct 04 04:06 PM
This article deals with some of the facets of this topic.

From BBC News. Friday, 1 October, 2004

The Spanish government has approved a draft law which will legalise homosexual marriages.
The bill gives same-sex couples the same rights as heterosexual couples, including the right to adopt children. .../

...The Roman Catholic Church and conservative opposition have fiercely opposed the move, which opinion polls suggest has the public's support.

...If the bill is approved by parliament, it will make Spain the third EU country to authorise gay marriages.

...The issue of adoption further fuelled the controversy, stiffening opposition from the church.
"A married couple, producing and educating their children, contributes in an irreplaceable way to the growth and stability of society," the bishops said, adding that a homosexual couple "could never have such characteristics". .../

But Cabinet spokeswoman Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega said thousands of children lived with homosexual parents and numerous studies had shown that they were no different to children brought up in heterosexual homes.

"There is no proof that homosexual parents educate their children any worse. In adoption, the well-being of the children comes first, independent of the sexual orientation of the parents," she said. .../

...Socialist Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero...Earlier this week he said: "I deeply respect the opinions of the Catholic Church even if they are very critical of the government. I ask them to show the same respect."

Full article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3706414.stm
  
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Marco  #55454  Mon, 15 Nov 04 04:59 PM
I am really amazed at what I can see on this thread!

Here you have a few reasons angainst homosexual marriage:

"Homosexual coupling undermines its participants' health, has the highest rate of domestic violence, shortens life, and is a poor environment in which to raise children."

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet7.html

As you probably know, most of the homosexual "couples" would like to adopt a child(or more). But they are a real danger for a child, not to mention the trauma a child would suffer especially when they discern who their "parents" really are.
Also, some studies, revealed that a child with a homosexual parent is far more likely to become a homosexual than those with normal parents. That's a horrific thing.

Quote from the page in the link above:

"The largest study, (30) and the only one based on a random sample, estimated that less than half of a percent of Americans have had a homosexual parent. Those who did were more likely to:

report having had sex with a parent,
experience homosexuality as their first sexual encounter,
be sexually molested,
become homosexual or bisexual, and
report dissatisfaction with their childhood.

The various studies, (31) added together, suggest that the children of homosexuals are at least 3 times more apt to become homosexual than children raised by the traditionally married. "




  
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Cicero  #56294  Sat, 20 Nov 04 05:17 AM
Insofar as the topic of natural is concerned, I'd consider nature's law to be anything that is not found in nature; anything that is 'unnatural' would be outside of nature's law. Therefore, since homosexuality is found in nature, it is not against nature's law.

Further:

It has been suggested by several scientific studies that homosexuality is linked to androgen levels in the womb. As such, one would argue that homosexuality is therefore 'not a choice', but is rather an inherited trait, though it is not something that can be proven to be entirely 'genetic' in nature. There's also a corrolation between the number of older brothers a child has and their tendency toward homosexuality.

In addition, there is the fact that identical twins are more than twice as likely to be homosexual if their twin is, in comparison to fraternal twins (as would be expected if there were some genetic basis; but there is not a 100% similarity rate between identical twin sexuality, therefore it is not entirely genetic in basis).

Using this logic, I refer to several points of Marco's post.

As you probably know, most of the homosexual "couples" would like to adopt a child(or more). But they are a real danger for a child, not to mention the trauma a child would suffer especially when they discern who their "parents" really are.


If your aim is to prevent people from becoming homosexual, you might be inclined to take note of the aforementioned assertions. In your opinion, would it be better for a child to be born with a predisposition to homosexuality (as indicated by their fetal androgen levels), or to not be born at all? Should a woman be limited in the number of male children she can have, since that is also a contributing factor to homosexual inclinations?

Also, some studies, revealed that a child with a homosexual parent is far more likely to become a homosexual than those with normal parents. That's a horrific thing.


I'd assert that 'become a homosexual' in this context is more synonymous with 'be less averse to the idea of being homosexual'. It could also be contested that those who grow up in a Catholic household are far more likely to grow up Catholic. Parents outlooks' affect those of their children; but about the age of maturation, most children reach a point where they make their own decisions about life and religion. Of course those with homosexual parents are less likely to be intolerant of homosexuality -- they would be exposed to it in a positive light, and one involving love and so forth. Therefore, without such a strong taught 'aversion' to the behavior, they'd be less likely to be averse.

Tell me why you think that homosexuality is horrific, and why it should be stopped, and how you can mesh this belief with one that states that homosexuality is not a choice, but a pre-determined factor. Would you argue (if someone is born as a homosexual, or at least with a predisposition toward such behavior) that these people should be dissuaded from their ingrained behavior? Should they sacrifice their right to the pursuit of happiness in the interest of preventing homosexual behavior from becoming acceptable in today's society?

Can you concretely show that the children of homosexual unions are less happy or less psychologically well-off than those that in heterosexual unions, and further can you show that these differences are not simply due to differences in social pressures on the children by other children (i.e. bullying and teasing)?

I'd further argue that many of the results argued in the paper aren't conclusive but are instead opinions; for example, who is to say that legalizing marriage won't result in more permanent and stable relations among homosexuals? The evidence at this time, is simply not conclusive enough to draw such broad conclusions as the author of the link quoted in Marco's post seems to suggest.
  
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