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Homosexual marriages- against the natures law?

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matthewg  #70369  Thu, 27 Jan 05 02:33 PM
My pleasure, here's another one: your repeated last statement is a Freudian slip.


...homosexuality is a cancer affecting social fibre.
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Does that sound familiar enough to you?

You have thrived on this topic, posting one unfounded claim after another. As each one is disproved they become increasingly ridiculous, until we arrive at 'gut feeling.' Come off it.

I cannot turn morons into men. Until I acquire that ability, I will have to ban you.

The only reason I am not deleting this entire topic is because here we have a thorough disproval of all the claims possible against homosexual marriage. Thank you Jackisgreat, Bratannia, Oswy, sherrybaby, Cicero for your contributions.
  
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charlotte  #70422  Thu, 27 Jan 05 07:16 PM
Imagine a homossexual couple living together for a lifetime. They share all the moments that all other "straight" couples share, good moments, tough ones, and through all those moments love survives and keeps that relationship alive. They do love each other and imagining one without the other is almost impossible. Then one day one of them dies. The other is kicked out of the house where he's lived for decades with his/her loved one because the house belonged to the other. Besides the grief he/she has to face, he's left without a right that any widow(er) is supposed to have. Is it fair? I don't think so. Why shouldn't gay people have the right to get married? Well, the catholic church still has an enormous power. Would you agree with an institution that forbids you to use a condom and lets you die from aids? Well, that's the same one that condemns gay marriage. Like a lot of bigots.
I'm not gay and I'm married. Why shouldn't my gay neighbour also be allowed to marry the love of his life?
  
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Guest  #70479  Fri, 28 Jan 05 02:15 AM
Matthewg,
quote; The only reason I am not deleting this entire topic is because here we have a thorough disproval of all the claims possible against homosexual marriage.

Doesn't this statement show that you are biassed and only prepared to tolerate a point of view that is agreement with your own?

I would also urge you not to refer to users as 'morons'. Please try to be a little more sporting.
  
need_debating_help  #70529  Fri, 28 Jan 05 08:33 AM
I would just like to point out that homosexuals are homo because they chose to be, if it was against natures law they wouldnt have been able to be homos
  
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nona the brit  #70535  Fri, 28 Jan 05 09:25 AM
Can we get this thread off the topic 'Homosexuality - right or wrong' and back on to the original debate if people are still interested.

Is homosexual marriage (not relationships but MARRIAGE) against whatever we decided natures' law is!
  
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matthewg  #70575  Fri, 28 Jan 05 12:18 PM
No, it does not. I would have deleted the thread because Conus Lotus' posts blatantly violate all the rules of the controversial subjects forum. Even though a conclusion had been reached naturally by means of logic, and that is a 'no', he continued his open diatribe against homosexuality in general. He was warned, and only made further offensive statements. I think people forget that such a mentality only helps spread the incitement of hate crimes and intolerance. We have six million Jews, murdered on the whims of a single man, to testify to that.

I apologise for using the term moron. It has only served to lower myself to his same level.

This thread has been locked, as all possible ways of thinking and argument have been exhausted (we can say that we've had the two opposing extremes). Conus Lotus will be able to post on the forums, only on the merits of his other posts which were genuine contributions, and in the hope of a progression towards logical thought.

PS: the forum slogan, which can be viewed under its title: 'Dedicated to continual re-education and our search for a unified and greater understanding of life.'
  
Guest  #70592  Fri, 28 Jan 05 01:32 PM
I would like to know what these supposedly offensive statements were, and how they could possibly have related to inciting hate crimes or the murder of six million Jews.
I think you have gone way over the top Matthewg, but of course this is only my opinion - one I believe I am firmly entitled to without fear of censorship.
  
Guest  #80250  Thu, 10 Mar 05 06:46 PM
I myself find that if a person is deeply inlove with another human being they should not be deprived of marriage rights just because the person they want to spend the rest of there life with is the same sex as they are!

I personally would never go out and get married to the same gender as I but I would definetly not appose, or deney being invited to a gay marriage just because two same genders are engaging in a deeply blissful expierience.

Think of it as if your daughter came to you and announced that she was a lesbian or biosexual for that matter and she had been for over 3 years dating a woman, what would you say?Would you kick her to the curb just for being inlove with a same gender. Or would you accept it and love her just the same?
  
argusdame  #82010  Fri, 18 Mar 05 01:29 AM
Is it or is it not? first let us have some definition of terms here. I see four important terms which we ought to understand from a common ground. Homosexual:the tendecy to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex. Marriage:the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband and wife in a consensual and contracted relationship recognized by law. Natural:based on an inherent sense of right and wrong. Law:binding custom or practice by a community. Now the argument.
Homosexual marriage is against the law for the following reasons:
1. It is not a union between man and woman as marriage does not and cannot define homosexuality.
2. What is inherently right and wrong? majority of the existing societies shun homosexual union and as such inherently wrong.
3. Lest it ibecome a custom among cultures, it is not binding.
Homosexual union is therefore inherently wrong, not binding and is not and cannot be contracted in marriage.
Martin Heidegger's consept of dasein can apply to this concept of homosexual union. A thing (esse) attains its essence when it is used according to its purpose. marriage's purpose and ultimate essence is not living together as man and wife but it is procreation. All the other aspects of marriage are just appendages and effect of the union.
If marriage were to be contracted between two individuals who cannot procreated, they are living on the periphery of the essence of marriage and thus not achieving their nature and their dasein.
  
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