Homosexual marriages- against the natures law?

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gabriel2178  #83158  Wed, 23 Mar 05 09:04 AM
The sad thing about this is that legislators are trying their best to make homosexual marriage illegal. This legislation, to me, more than anything else that can be said to be illegal. It is prejudice against someone based on sexual orientation. With regards to employment and college admissions to name a couple, the supreme courts of many US states and even the US supreme court have said that decisions cannot be made to deny someone of employment or college admission based on sexual preference. Aren't they contradicting themselves by enacting laws against gay marriage?
  
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David  #83181  Wed, 23 Mar 05 10:20 AM
There is no logical answer to this. People will be for and against homosexual marriages. The obvious answer is to respect differing points of view. Again I do not suggest that I personally go along with the idea of mixed marriages but I cannot see that vitriolic attacks for or against will do any good to anyone. Deeper understanding and a more mature approach are essential. Thank you all for contributing please be sensitive to those with a different point of view.
  
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ursula  #83197  Wed, 23 Mar 05 11:33 AM
I would like to ask matthewq to calm down a bit. There are always going to be opposing - and sometimes strongly held - views expressed in a section named 'controversial subjects'

It is not right to liken people to Hitler by saying - I quote
'I think people forget that such a mentality only helps spread the incitement of hate crimes and intolerance. We have six million Jews, murdered on the whims of a single man, to testify to that.' - end quote - just because they are expressing different viewpoints.

Yes, perhaps more than enough views have been expressed but at least this forum has given people the chance to express them with some measure of decorum.


  
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abbie1948  #85252  Thu, 31 Mar 05 02:06 AM
Before you close this thread: I have read the posts, and found the debate fascinating. There have been some sound and reasoned arguments, some less so. I wonder how many (if any) of the participants are homosexual. (That is a rhetorical question).

It was fascinating how quickly the debate veered from the original question about homosexual marriages being against nature's law, wandering through the questions of homosexual parenting, the nature/nurture debate etc.

I know this has been mentioned, but I would like to reiterate that there is no law in nature concerning marriage. Marriage is a man-made institution (and I use the word "man" in its sense of gender, simply because historically men held political and social power, and made rules and laws.)

Again, as has been mentioned, homosexual activity occurs in the animal kingdom, and has always been a feature in human life. If it had not been a feature, it would not be neccessary to make statements about it, such as appear in the Old Testament. I hold no religious brief here; I simply have an impartial interest in the commonality of religions and their origins. Neither do I conclude that because something appears in an ancient document then it is necessarily or universally true. (I do not believe that what appears in tomorrow's newspaper is necessarily true.) I should not, for example, dream of cutting of my right arm if it offended me, nor would I pluck out my eyes.

If homosexual couples wish to make a public commitment to each other, and take on legal rights and responsibilities, which is essentially what a secular marriage is, why should they not have that right? And what if they wished to raise a child? There is no law which requires the vetting of heterosexual couples to ensure they would make good parents, and I wonder whether we have any reasonable argument which suggests that caring and attentive homosexual partners cannot make a good, loving and safe home for children. (let us not fall into the old trap of confusing homosexuality with paedophilia, which is quite a different thing.)
Of course such children would be subject to an upbringing defined by the lifestyle of their parents, but so are all children. Perhaps, given the choice, some children would prefer that lifestyle to the one they currently endure.

Finally, perhaps we should consider ourselves lucky that we are in a situation in which we are able to express our views freely and openly, though hopefully in a reasoned and reasonable manner.






  
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Hope that helps. Abbie
jazz  #95375  Mon, 02 May 05 10:59 AM
Hi all

I think it is really big problem in my opinion, which creates disgust feeling, but is already happened, so we should know what are the reasons to have such that issue . well, why that relation is being much more in nonislamic countries?! I would like to know! Hmm [^o)]
  
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abbie1948  #96286  Thu, 05 May 05 09:03 AM
Hello jazz,

Is there evidence to suggest that homosexuality is less prevalent in Islamic countries? Or is it simply that it is hidden because of severe penalties? It used to be illegal in the west also, and was hidden, but I don't think the actual incidence was different.
  
David  #96291  Thu, 05 May 05 09:09 AM
Read about Afghanistan and midlle eastern countries. I was amazed at how prevalent it is abbie.
  
abbie1948  #96295  Thu, 05 May 05 09:24 AM
Hi David,

I could not comment on this, because I have no statistical evidence, but there are some who claim that it is in fact more prevalent in societies where women are tightly controlled and protected.
  
LanguageLover  #97501  Mon, 09 May 05 01:11 AM
Just one question Abbie, what's the difference between human beings and animals? Isn't it that the animals do almost everything according to their insticts and men according to their insticts and mind? I think that it's the mind that has to be dominant. And yes, everyone is free to do anything he wants as long as he doesn't hurt or limit his fellow men. I think that homosexuality is a result of an imbalance in one's hormones, isn't it? If so, aren't the homosexuals sick (by nature, not by one's will)? And don't they need to be treated? I'm not saying this because some old religions said so. I just feel that it's not right/moral. I don't want to offend anyone, that's just what I feel.
  
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