Believer  +  274800 Sun, 01 Oct 06 07:29 AM Please tell me how they are different conceptually(?)? One is in present simple passive and the other is in present perfect passive.  I see them a lot in print form but often it is very hard to draw clear picture in my mind so I can understand it fully. Thank you. is borrowed     and    has been borrowed is taken   and    has been taken  is told    and     has been told  Believer Joined on Mon, Jan 2 2006 Contributing Member 1,969 Present Perfect, Present Simple

	Mister Micawber  +  274869 Sun, 01 Oct 06 01:46 PM The concept is the same as the general one of the difference between simple present (timelessness / habit / etc.) and present perfect (association of the past with the present / duration from past until present / etc.) Mister Micawber Joined on Wed, Aug 4 2004 Yokohama Veteran Member 30,842 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master-- that's all.' Simple Present, Difference Between, Present Perfect

	Cool Breeze  +  274890 Sun, 01 Oct 06 02:37 PM 1. This extract is taken from Hemingway's A Farewell To Arms. 2. This extract has been taken from Hemingway's A Farewell To Arms. There are lots of cases where either one will do with little or no change in meaning. Sentence 1 concentrates on the state that has been reached: the text is in front of you. Taken, although obviously a verb form, is adjectival in character. Cf.: The door is shut. (The door is red.) (The reference is to what state the door is in.)        The door is shut at ten every day. (The reference is to the act of shutting the door although there        is no change in the verbs. This is one of the deficiencies of English conducive to ambiguity and inexactness in        some contexts.)   Sentence 2 emphasizes the act of taking the extract from the book, and taken does not resemble an adjective. For the reader, there is no actual difference in meaning. Cheers CB Cool Breeze Joined on Fri, Apr 7 2006 Senior Member 3,979 "I hope you'll all live to be 150 years old - and the last voice you hear is mine!" Frank Sinatra on stage in Oslo, Norway, 28 September 1991 Verbs

	Believer  +  274905 Sun, 01 Oct 06 03:11 PM Thank you Mr. M and CoolBreeze, I applaud CoolBreeze in her effort in helping me clearify some confusion.  Believer

	Cool Breeze  +  274953 Sun, 01 Oct 06 05:14 PM  Believer wrote: Thank you Mr. M and CoolBreeze, I applaud CoolBreeze in her effort in helping me clearify some confusion.  Thank you, Believer. I'm a Man with a capital M, though. (I wish I were as handsome as Mister Micawber!) Cheers CB Cool Breeze