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Firstly, I should admit that I'm an advanced English learner but I'm actually reluctant in studying English Grammar.
Secondly, I couldn't do the mutiple choices in our school well, and I'm bewildered.
Finally, I would like to ask if you have any suggestions to learn grammar properly.
THanks.
New Member35
Guest:
Johnny...The only way is to seek out a Teacher of English Grammar.If you are "reluctant" to study,then you will NEVER learn. No EASY Fix,I am afraid....It is Just as hard for us to learn your language as it is for you to learn English and you must study it With DETERMINATION.Emotion: smile
I have to agree, if you want to learn you have to make the effort even if your first attempt sucks. I am a slow learner but the more I put into it the better I get.
New Member06
1 comment It does help a lot if you have a good grammar book, one that really gives you all the rules but with plenty of interesting examples and illustrations. I'm not an English teacher so I don't know the title of such a book for English studies; maybe one of the other readers does. If you are involved in writing or reading in a relatively complex technical field in English, there is a good online site at http://www.cs.wcu.edu/res/nasa_sp7084/sp7084cont.html

It explains things like 'sentence parallelism' that many second-language English learners never get to know about. But even though you're an advanced student, you may find it too complex, and there will certainly also be less complex versions of the good, interesting grammar book or website around.

Grammar, like everything, is best studied as a thing of beauty; some people automatically respond to the beauty of logic, while others find this difficult. Of course, most grammars contain elements that are illogical, but then, these crazy aspects can often be rather entertaining. Why, in Dutch, should a girl (meid) be feminine while a young girl (meisje) is neuter in gender? Why, in Cantonese, should dogs and bowls be counted with the same counting word, jek? (The reason is perhaps that 3000 years ago in south China, bowls were mostly made with legs, making them easy to compare with animals -- there is often some interesting history in the nonsensical parts of grammar.) Why, 500 years ago in English, could you say the very simple "I know not why," whereas now, to say the same thing, you would need to say the more complicated and less logical "I do not know why?" The whole process by which languages change over time is very mysterious and interesting.

Here's another encouraging thought. The zou in your username looks Chinese. When I was studying Cantonese my Chinese friends in Canada all said, "no, don't study Cantonese, it's too difficult, you should study Putonghua (Mandarin) instead. The grammar is just like English!"

It's not entirely true, but there's a grain of truth in it. Both languages are very simple and efficient and lack many of the grammatical frills and decorations found in other languages, like noun gender and case endings. To get the first 50% of the way to perfection in English grammar, you just need to remember that nouns are singular or plural, verbs have tenses according to time and continuation, and the time-word usually comes at the end of the phrase, thus "The two boys went to school yesterday," not the gloriously efficient Chinese (or at least Cantonese) "Those two-count boy yesterday go school."

Finally, it's important to distinguish between grammar and style, though you eventually need to learn both. The grammar of your query was quite good. Strictly speaking, there may not be a real grammatical error in it. The style, though, showed that a bit more study would be beneficial. One of the most difficult things about learning most languages of European origin is learning to match prepositions (like in, at, by) with the words they are commonly paired with. This often takes years. In the meantime, though, everyone understands you even though you make a few errors, so you do not need to be shy about talking to people. Just to pick examples out of your query, the word 'reluctant' usually goes with 'to,' while the word 'suggestions' usually partners with 'on,' 'about' or 'for,' depending on the situation. In your query, you could easily change 'suggestions to learn' to the more fluent-sounding 'suggestions on how to learn.' You wouldn't be able to use the normal 'reluctant to,' though, because it would change the meaning of your first sentence slightly, making you sound as if you were telling us that had never studied English grammar at all. You would be forced to say something like,

Firstly, I should admit that I'm an advanced English learner, but I'm actually quite reluctant when it comes to studying English grammar.

Now, that's informal spoken English. For formal writing you would be better off using "reluctantly" or "with reluctance," as in

"Firstly, I should admit that even though I'm an advanced English student, I actually study English Grammar only reluctantly"... or, "only with the greatest reluctance."

Phrases like "reluctant when it comes to," "only reluctantly" and "only with the greatest reluctance" are so-called 'stock phrases,' almost like cliches, but they are widely used, and they are certainly not taught in any grammar book. The only way to learn all these things and develop a fluent-sounding English style is through doing as much English reading, conversing and movie-watching as possible. In the process, you usually also "get the feel" of the grammar and it becomes much easier.
Junior Member66
Thank you very much!
Well, the "language sense" seems to be a quite mysterious phrase.
I studied English when I was three years old. At that time, my "language sense" dominated my methodology of learning.
Gradually, teachers in school taught something rather academic, and I felt really bored.
Then I lost my "language sense" natrually. I didn't know the reason of that.
My vocabulary is accumulating rapidly, whereas my grammar is terrible.
I am still bewildered.

P.S. I've been to Amsterdam once for performance. My memory recalls me that it is a city full of bicycles, canals and jewlery.
I like the city very much.
I am surprised you haven't mention the windowshops!
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The loss of the very rapid language-learning ability of children is biological -- there is nothing you can do about it. But there are ways that older people can still trick their brains into learning language. The key is to convince your mind that the thing you want to learn is both very important and very interesting. Of course, you cannot fool your own mind, so you have to do what you can to MAKE it actually become important and interesting.

That's why so many native English speakers are unilingual. Most of them have had some language courses, but since they already know the world's most widely understood language, they often feel that learning a second language is not such a high priority. Just the people who find languages, cultures and other people intrinsically fascinating can get around this and learn to speak a second language well.
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how i improve my english cos my grammer is not good pls help me if possible
I enjoyed reading your post and thank you for the link too.
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