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Goodman  #347915  Fri, 06 Apr 07 07:47 PM

 Yankee wrote:
Feel free to disagree all you want, Goodman.  However, beware! You seem to be blindly rejecting valid points of grammar. A very hazardous pasttime indeed.Wink [;)]

I didn't say those would be my preferred sentences, I simply tried to clarify Doll's example.

Whether you happen to like those particular sentences or not, the fact remains that using the 'ing form' of a verb after the word 'forget' is different from using the 'to form'.

I forget doing that.
Reasonable rewording =  (I did it but) I can't remember that I did it.

I always forget to do that.
Reasonable rewording = (I didn't do it because) I never remember to do it.

 

You seem to be blindly rejecting valid points of grammar. A very hazardous pasttime indeed.Wink [;)]
 Yank, quite a statement indeed! I have yet to savor and find the humor in your response.Stick out tongue [:P]...About
blindly rejecting valid points of grammar. Do you care to elaborate?  I  think our differences are not as much about the grammar as our angles between our view points.

For some reason, people just simply have confusion with the word “forget”. This is the same discussion in another forum. 

http://forum.wordreference.com/archive/index.php/t-337382.html

Consider this:

Mother: Did you do the laundry like I askded you to yesterday?

Son: Oooh! Sorry mom, I forgot about it (doing the laundry).

To me, it sounds plainly odds to use the “forget + gerund” construction without “about”.

 

I forgot feeding the baby  vs. I forgot about feeding the baby.

Oooh, I forgot mailing the mortgage payment yesterday .vs. I forgot about mailing the mortgage …

 

Oh, incidentally, "pastime" is "one T" if I didn't forget ....
 

  
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Yankee  #347922  Fri, 06 Apr 07 08:30 PM
Thank you for pointing out my typo, Goodman. 

My point was that you seem determined to say that the difference does not exist. That is a fallacy.  Doll made a valid point which I  simply tried to follow up on.  You have now commented on using the preposition 'about' after 'forget'.  However, my comments were a response to a specific post and therefore limited to discussing the use of the infinitive versus the gerund after the verb 'forget'.  My comments did not include any discussion of prepositions because that was not the topic at hand. 

No one can force you to accept the fact that there is a difference between "forget to do" and "forget doing". I'm certainly not implying that you must use "forget doing" rather than "can't remember doing", for example.  That's entirely up to you. 

By the way, would you say there is any difference between "remember to do" and "remember doing"? Wink [;)]  Or does "remember doing" sound odd to you too? Surprise [:O]
  
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CalifJim  #347935  Fri, 06 Apr 07 09:21 PM
Another country heard from.

remember to do; forget to do.

Remember to take out the trash!  Don't forget to take out the trash!  (The trash is not yet taken out.)
I remembered to take out the trash.  I didn't forget to take out the trash.
  (My mind worked as I wished!  When the time came, I did take out the trash.)

remember doing; forget doing.

I remember reading about infinitives in this book yesterday. 
(I remember that I read ...)
I didn't forget reading about infinitives in this book yesterday. 
(?)
Forget reading about infinitives!  We've got better things to do! 
(OK)  (Put such thoughts out of your mind.)
Forget about reading about infinitives!  We're going to the beach! 
(OK)

I remember going to the beach, but I don't remember swimming.
I've forgotten going to the beach, but I haven't forgotten swimming. 
(?)
You [can / may as well] forget going to the beach!  It's raining! 
(OK)  (Put such thoughts out of your mind.)
You [can / may as well] forget about going to the beach!  It's raining!
(OK)

The sentences with (?) may be correct, and I understand them passively, but, to tell you the truth, I never generate them myself.  The only case where I personally use the gerund after a form of forget is in imperatives and imperative-like constructions as shown above.  And even then, I understand them as abbreviations of forget about.  These are completely personal observations, and they may be the result of the particular variety of English I am most familiar with.  These personal observations don't mean you can't use forget that way!

CJ

  
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Yankee  #347963  Fri, 06 Apr 07 10:52 PM
Thank you, Jim.  I doubt that your usage is much different from my New England usage. 

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Goodman, I do wish you would read more closely before going off half-cocked about disagreeing with people.
What I haven't forgotten writing is this: Wink [;)]
 Yankee wrote:
The second sentence is perhaps awkward, but I wouldn't say it's grammatically incorrect.  And I don't think Doll's intended meaning was "I forgot to buy apples."
Do you remember reading this part? Tongue Tied [:S]


  
Goodman  #347967  Fri, 06 Apr 07 11:29 PM

 Yankee wrote:
Thank you for pointing out my typo, Goodman. 

Doll made a valid point which I  simply tried to follow up on.  You have now commented on using the preposition 'about' after 'forget'.  However, my comments were a response to a specific post and therefore limited to discussing the use of the infinitive versus the gerund after the verb 'forget'.  My comments did not include any discussion of prepositions because that was not the topic at hand. 


By the way, would you say there is any difference between "remember to do" and "remember doing"? Wink [;)]  Or does "remember doing" sound odd to you too? Surprise [:O]

<<No one can force you to accept the fact that there is a difference between "forget to do" and "forget doing". I'm certainly not implying that you must use "forget doing" rather than "can't remember doing", for example.  That's entirely up to you. 
My point was that you seem determined to say that the difference does not exist. That is a fallacy
.>>>

Wait a second; I was never at any point of my posts advocating that. In fact it's the exact opposite. Obviously, somewhere along the line, we seemed to have misunderstood each other.

Now with CJ's comments, the discussion gets even more interesting with word “remember” mixing up with “forget”.  My point was, the [forget + gerund] structure just seems wrong to my ears in the context given.  “Don’t forget to close the door when you leave” definitely sounds much better than “don’t forget closing the door…”

 

The “Don’t forget” and “did you remember” structure – should always be followed by an infinitive.  

 

 <<By the way, would you say there is any difference between "remember to do" and "remember doing"? >>

 I really don't think one can determine that by a fragment of a sentence.  If I must, based on your context, I'd say remember doing is 

 correct.  "How did you get my phone number? I can't remember giving it to you" sounds correct to me. To give- just sounds wrong.

 The lack of context sometimes can lead to a misunderstood conclusion. Now do we still have disagreement about the usage on "forget" and "remember"?

 

 By the way, watch out for this half-cocked gun (as you put it)..it has a loose triggerBig Smile [:D] 

  
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