tinanam0102  +  959570 Mon, 02 Nov 09 05:29 AM Hi teachers,   Could I know which one should it be, "came" or "come"?    Thank you.   Regards, TN tinanam0102 Joined on Wed, May 6 2009 Full Member 410 Regards

	tinanam0102  +  959580 Mon, 02 Nov 09 05:39 AM Hi Yoong Liat,   Thanks for your reply.  I understand now.   Regards, Tinanam     tinanam0102 Regards

	Yoong Liat  +  959792 Mon, 02 Nov 09 12:09 PM Hi Tinanam You're welcome. Regards YL Yoong Liat Regards

	khoff  +  959920 Mon, 02 Nov 09 04:12 PM If you actually saw Jane when she came by, then you should say "I saw Jane come by yesterday."  But you can also say, "I saw (that) Jane came by yesterday."  In this case, you didn't actually see Jane, but you saw some evidence that told you she had been there.  (Maybe she left you a note.) khoff Joined on Sun, Mar 6 2005 Senior Member 3,272 Native speaker of American English (but not a grammar expert)

	tinanam0102  +  960693 Tue, 03 Nov 09 01:15 PM Hi Knoff,   Thanks for your help.  Could I know in #2 case, where you didn't actually see Jane, if "that" is needed?  Because I noticed there is a bracket with "that".   Thank you. Regards, Tinanam tinanam0102 Regards

	Huevos  +  960714 Tue, 03 Nov 09 01:46 PM "I saw Jane come by yesterday." In this sentence "come" is a bare infinitive. Time is established by the verb "saw" which is in past tense form. "I saw that Jane came by yesterday." In this sentence "came" is the lexical verb of a subordinate clause hence it must show its relation to time, which in this case is past tense. "That" shows us that this is a subordinate clause and, in my opinion, using "that" is essential in this instance. Huevos Joined on Tue, Mar 25 2008 Regular Member 626 British Native Tenses, Clauses, Past Tenses, Writing, Sentences

	Grammar Geek  +  960745 Tue, 03 Nov 09 03:00 PM Anonymous “TN: If you wish to say that you heard about or were told about Jane's visit, many native speakers would prefer the present tense: Well, I SEE (that) Jane CAME by yesterday.  If you use the present tense, "that" would definitely be optional. E. G., I see/hear/understand Jane GOT married last week. ”   I'm sure it's just a typo, but to avoid confusing learners, I want to point out that "came" and "got" are past, not present.     Grammar Geek Joined on Tue, Jan 10 2006 Veteran Member 19,679 Barbara, who answers in American English. My housekeeping skills attest to the truth of the second law of thermodynamics: Left to themselves, things get more and more random! Tenses, Present Tenses, Marriage, Relationships