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Anonymous  #543229  Fri, 18 Jul 08 10:23 PM
Having a dispute with a poster on another forum. He posted:

"To be fair, literally is misused by a lot of people, the media included. Very few people would say figuratively, unlike you or I..."

I think he should have used "me" at the end of that sentence but his argument is:

"I is the nominative form. Me is the accusative and dative. You love me, e.g. But I want, you and I play, this is from me, etc. (Although there are some poetic forms, such as "It isI who you love", etc)

In essence, the sentence is "Very few people would say "figuratively", unlike you or I (, who would say "figuratively")." The missing part in brackets which is alluded to.

You couldn't use me in this context."


Is he right?

Thanks.
  
Huevos  #543232  Fri, 18 Jul 08 10:41 PM
This is English not Latin, but unfortunately there are certain people who try to show how clever they are by insisting Latin grammar should be applied to English. In English we use the subject pronoun when there is a following verb, otherwise we use the object pronoun. i.e:

"He is taller than me" or "he is taller than I am", but not "he is taller than I". 

  
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Anonymous  #543237  Fri, 18 Jul 08 10:57 PM
Thanks, Heuvos. I have a reasonable understanding of the rules of grammar but I am by no means an expert, so when I come up against parts of speech quoted against me I struggle!

Thanks again.

Tom
  
Grammar Geek  #543252  Fri, 18 Jul 08 11:28 PM

I would have said "Unlike you or I" with the mental completion of "would."

They do this, unlike [the way that] you or I [would do such a thing].

  
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Huevos  #543257  Fri, 18 Jul 08 11:41 PM
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They do this, unlike [the way that] you or I [would do such a thing].
I don't agree. Just because the verb is implied doesn't mean the pronoun should be subject. No person who has learned English purely through acquisition would ever use the subject pronoun in this case; it's just not "English". 

 

GG, do you say "me too" or "I too" in the following? (Do you like Rock'n'Roll? ... "Me too".)

  
Bokeh  #543273  Sat, 19 Jul 08 12:17 AM

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GG, do you say "me too" or "I too" in the following? (Do you like Rock'n'Roll? ... "Me too".)
I've heard this argument about the nominative a thousand times, but it's not natural English. It's been taught parrot fashion and it's contrieved. Your example demonstrates rather well how false it is.

  
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Philip  #543303  Sat, 19 Jul 08 01:28 AM
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I would have said "Unlike you or I" with the mental completion of "would."

They do this, unlike [the way that] you or I [would do such a thing].

Obviously, some would find this contrived.  I do believe that we need to consider to whom we are speaking:  the highlighted would sound stuffy and unnatural to some audiences, but other audiences would find the alternative ['unlike you or me'] quite a jolt. 
  
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CalifJim  #543304  Sat, 19 Jul 08 01:31 AM
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I would have said "Unlike you or I" with the mental completion of "would."

They do this, unlike [the way that] you or I [would do such a thing].

I would have said the same.  The presence of a merely implicit verb doesn't seem bother me.

Nevertheless, I would accept "me" there as well, because you can also conceive of the structure as a variant of "like me":  John and I both enjoy jazz.  In fact, he is like me in many ways.

like me -- unlike me -- unlike you or me. 

I think there are good arguments for each choice.

CJ 


  
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Grammar Geek  #543315  Sat, 19 Jul 08 01:54 AM

Huevos
No person who has learned English purely through acquisition would ever use the subject pronoun in this case; it's just not "English".  

What an astonishingly strange thing to say! I ASSURE you I learned English through "acquisition" and indeed, I'd say it. I wouldn't find anything odd about someone saying "unlike you and me" but it's not what I would say.

Huevos

GG, do you say "me too" or "I too" in the following? (Do you like Rock'n'Roll? ... "Me too".)

Neither. If someone said "Do you like Rock and Roll?" I'd say either "Yes" or "No."

 

  
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