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Damlasozer  +  254726 Fri, 11 Aug 06 12:11 PM

''The extinction of the dinosaurs is still a matter of debate in the scientific community.''

in the sentence above I dont understand why' scientific community' takes 'the' instead of zero article

I wıll be very happy if somebody could explain this....

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Arvsworld  +  254756 Fri, 11 Aug 06 02:46 PM

"Scientific community" has the article the before it because it is a collective noun.

The extinction of the dinosaurs is still a matter of debate in the scientific community.

The use of monosodium glutamate is still a sensitive topic in the culinary arts.

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Damlasozer  +  254762 Fri, 11 Aug 06 03:01 PM

Thank for your interest.So you say in collective nouns we always use the article do you?Can you give me a few more collective noun names...

Arvsworld  +  254777 Fri, 11 Aug 06 03:16 PM

You would use the, an or a depending on the noun.

A murder of crows

An army of ants

The International Olympic Committee

The World Health Organization

The music industry

Here's a nice reference: http://www.edufind.com/ENGLISH/grammar/Determiners2a.cfm

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 thanks again Arvsworld  I glanced over itSmile [:)]
Believer  +  254896 Fri, 11 Aug 06 08:41 PM

Thank you.

Can you give me some examples of sentences with collective nouns that take no articles?

Does this sentence look natural withthout the article? Are the usual rules of grammar in regard to articles still applicable for collective nouns? I think i saw it from somewhere that some collective nouns usually carry the in front.

The extinction of the dinasaurs is still a matter of debate in scientific community.

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Clive  +  254978 Fri, 11 Aug 06 11:58 PM

Hi guys,

''The extinction of the dinosaurs is still a matter of debate in the scientific community.''

in the sentence above I dont understand why' scientific community' takes 'the' instead of zero article

I wıll be very happy if somebody could explain this....

I'd like to offer another opinion.

I'm dubious about trying to explain this in terms of collective nouns. I would simply say that there are many communities (eg artistic, sporting, scientific, literary) and the writer of the sentence is making a specific reference to the scientific community, hence the definite article.

It's the same as saying 'The cat sat on the blue chair' (eg not the green chair, not the red chair, etc.) I'm making a specific reference to the blue chair, hence the definite article.

You wouldn't say '. . . in scientific community' for the same reason that you wouldn't say 'The cat sat on blue chair'.

Best wishes, Clive

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Anonymous, 3 yr 105 days ago
I agree that "scientific community" requires "the", because it is one specific community among many. But I don't think an article is necessary with "dinosaurs" in that sentance: "The extinction of dinosaurs is still a matter of debate in the scientific community." It's optional.
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