Patok    959412 Mon, 02 Nov 09 12:40 AM "I've just realised that I never see anything that Athel ... "From" field contains the substring ".cn". That shouldn't exclude Athel." "None of my business but I'm curious - why do you exclude .cn posts?" I'd make an educated guess - because most spam comes from China? However, Giganes should make a better job of killing spam, so he wouldn't have to use the killfile filter for that. It's primary purpose is to filter specific people one does not wish to read, rather than being a catch-all for spam. Eternal-september, what I'm using, cleans spam quite satisfactorily. You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. Patok Careers, Business

	Peter Moylan    959413 Mon, 02 Nov 09 12:51 AM "Ah, so there is. Thanks for punching through my blind ... Thunderbird has only a crude method for constructing news filters." "Can you put in a rule that marks anything with ".cnrs" as non-spam? Might have to come either before or after the rule for ".cn" depending on whether the program stops processing after applying an applicable rule or goes on to additional rules." Thanks for the suggestion. I've now added a new rule just before the ".cn" rule. The Thunderbird help doesn't actually say whether the rules are processed in order, or whether processing stops after there is a match. However, the system does allow for multiple actions on a single rule match, which tends to suggest that processing will stop at that point. The help page also suggests that message filters are inappropriate for filtering spam, and that the adaptive junk mail controls should be used instead. Unfortunately, for some unexplained reason, junk mail controls are disabled for news accounts. It's hard to understand why, after so much effort has been put into the Mozilla software, the filters are still so crude. A simple program like slrn, for example, does filtering so much better. Didn't the developers know about the prior art? I've now enabled the log for my filters, so I'll be able to tell whether Athel is still being killed. Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. Peter Moylan

	Peter Moylan    959415 Mon, 02 Nov 09 01:05 AM "I've just realised that I never see anything that ... "From" field contains the substring ".cn". That shouldn't exclude Athel." "None of my business but I'm curious - why do you exclude .cn posts?" I have *never* received anything from China that wasn't spam. If you look at the spam in this newsgroup (or, most likely, any newsgroup), you'll see that a very high proportion of it comes from .cn addresses. It's interesting to see that newsgroup spam and e-mail spam have slightly different characteristics. Looking at my "Junk" folder, which contains e-mail spam, I see that the "From" address is most commonly my address. A lot of the junk that slips past that test can be detected by seeing Cyrillic text in the "Subject" field. Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. Peter Moylan

	Peter Moylan    959424 Mon, 02 Nov 09 01:05 AM "I've just realised that I never see anything that ... "From" field contains the substring ".cn". That shouldn't exclude Athel." "None of my business but I'm curious - why do you exclude .cn posts?" I have *never* received anything from China that wasn't spam. If you look at the spam in this newsgroup (or, most likely, any newsgroup), you'll see that a very high proportion of it comes from .cn addresses. It's interesting to see that newsgroup spam and e-mail spam have slightly different characteristics. Looking at my "Junk" folder, which contains e-mail spam, I see that the "From" address is most commonly my address. A lot of the junk that slips past that test can be detected by seeing Cyrillic text in the "Subject" field. Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. Peter Moylan Careers, Business

	Don Aitken    959442 Mon, 02 Nov 09 01:43 AM "None of my business but I'm curious - why do you exclude .cn posts?" "I have *never* received anything from China that wasn't spam. If you look at the spam in this newsgroup (or, ... lot of the junk that slips past that test can be detected by seeing Cyrillic text in the "Subject" field." It's a good idea to filter email is on charset - whether it's spam or not, there is no point in downloading stuff you can't read. I don't know what people do who actually need to receive email from China (or Korea or Taiwan, which are at least as bad). I do wonder why I get no junk email from Japan, though. Don Aitken Mail to the From: address is not read. To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com" Don Aitken

	Don Aitken    959451 Mon, 02 Nov 09 01:43 AM "None of my business but I'm curious - why do you exclude .cn posts?" "I have *never* received anything from China that wasn't spam. If you look at the spam in this newsgroup (or, ... lot of the junk that slips past that test can be detected by seeing Cyrillic text in the "Subject" field." It's a good idea to filter email is on charset - whether it's spam or not, there is no point in downloading stuff you can't read. I don't know what people do who actually need to receive email from China (or Korea or Taiwan, which are at least as bad). I do wonder why I get no junk email from Japan, though. Don Aitken Mail to the From: address is not read. To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com" Don Aitken Careers, Business

	Peter Moylan    959453 Mon, 02 Nov 09 02:10 AM "It's a good idea to filter email is on charset - whether it's spam or not, there is no point ... or Taiwan, which are at least as bad). I do wonder why I get no junk email from Japan, though." From my junk folder, recently received: Subject: Natural way to enhance your male drive. Ah, but on further investigation I see that that came via t-dialin.net - a German ISP that many people want to blacklist because of its tolerance of antisocial behaviour - and that the originating IP address belongs to the US Department of Defence. That almost certainly means that it's a spam factory squatting on an IP address that it doesn't own, and could be located almost anywhere. (Is Maggie Blevins a common Japanese name?) Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. Peter Moylan

	Peter Moylan    959462 Mon, 02 Nov 09 02:10 AM "It's a good idea to filter email is on charset - whether it's spam or not, there is no point ... or Taiwan, which are at least as bad). I do wonder why I get no junk email from Japan, though." From my junk folder, recently received: Subject: Natural way to enhance your male drive. Ah, but on further investigation I see that that came via t-dialin.net - a German ISP that many people want to blacklist because of its tolerance of antisocial behaviour - and that the originating IP address belongs to the US Department of Defence. That almost certainly means that it's a spam factory squatting on an IP address that it doesn't own, and could be located almost anywhere. (Is Maggie Blevins a common Japanese name?) Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. Peter Moylan

	Pat Durkin    959581 Mon, 02 Nov 09 05:42 AM "With a period. It is a statement." "What you say is right, but I must confess that I sometimes put a question mark where it doesn't strictly ... only at a rather late stage that I decided to follow the rules and replace it with a full stop." Of course, in dialog, the interrogative intonation is indicated by the question mark. "Why did you eat my pizza?" "Because I was hungry? Duh." "So, you are saying you didn't see the cat in the dark last night. Why do you think you missed the cat?" "It was black?" Pat Durkin Intonations, Punctuation, Question Marks