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Goodman  #417404  Wed, 12 Sep 07 06:24 AM

I am not 100% sure if it's correct or otherwsie but Google search yielded 2,150,000 for "in accordance to".  From the contexts of articles,  they didn't appear to be written by non-natives. As I mentioned earlier, "to" and "with" are both used.

Following is a few examples:

Beacon of Truth - " Praying in accordance to HIS WILL"

then we are praying in accordance to HIS will, and our prayers will be answered. ... all of your prayers answered, pray in accordance to HIS ...

Processor for controlling substrate biases in accordance to the ...

Processor for controlling substrate biases in accordance to the operation modes of the processor - US Patent 6715090 from Patent Storm.
www.patentstorm.us/patents/6715090.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages

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Developing Terminal Equipment in Accordance to UL 60950-1 / IEC 60950-1 / EN 60950-1 2nd edition. UL International (UK) Ltd ...
  
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Ruslana  #418126  Thu, 13 Sep 07 07:12 PM
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Perhaps this:

According to tells you what you should be doing. According to our agreement, you should have sent this to me by now. According to our agreement, the products must be ready for shipment by next Friday.

In accordance with tells you why you are doing something or confirms that you are doing it. In accordance with our agreement, I'm sending you the first of three three shipments.

This does make sense. Thanks, Barb!

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Schetin  #418154  Thu, 13 Sep 07 08:07 PM

 Ruslana wrote:
...they don't make a big difference to me because of Russian, for in the latter we can use the same phrase to translate both "in accordance with" and "according to".

In Russian these do make difference.

The verb 'accord' is transitive, so gerund should be transitive too. If you say 'in according' you must use a direct object 'what and what?', say "According these three opinions took a lot of time" 

I don't think it's necessary to explain why in 'in according' gerund, not present participle is used.

  
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English Toolbox Co.  #418165  Thu, 13 Sep 07 08:31 PM
I agree that regional language conventions may be an issue here.  For example, the Germans will say, "This was done according the specifications" (omitting the infinitive "to").

  
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Goodman  #418200  Thu, 13 Sep 07 09:14 PM
 Schetin wrote:

 Ruslana wrote:
...they don't make a big difference to me because of Russian, for in the latter we can use the same phrase to translate both "in accordance with" and "according to".

In Russian these do make difference.

The verb 'accord' is transitive, so gerund should be transitive too. If you say 'in according' you must use a direct object 'what and what?', say "According these three opinions took a lot of time" 

I don't think it's necessary to explain why in 'in according' gerund, not present participle is used.

This is my opinion. English spoken between the shores of the Atlantics tends to have a slight difference in usage and meaning but all in all, the grammar rules still applies. Simply, "in according" is bad English. The logical usage with "according" are "according to" or "in accordance with/ to". Some absolutely agianst the usage of "In accordance to", but this is used quite often. I am not a grammarian and I am not going to debate the ligitimacy of this usage. But "according" is an adverbial phrase and has nothing to do with the gerund for, or participle form.

  
Schetin  #418207  Thu, 13 Sep 07 09:40 PM

 Goodman wrote:
... but all in all, the grammar rules still applies. Simply, "in according" is bad English. The logical usage with "according" are "according to" or "in accordance with/ to". Some absolutely agianst the usage of "In accordance to", but this is used quite often. I am not a grammarian and I am not going to debate the ligitimacy of this usage. But "according" is an adverbial phrase and has nothing to do with the gerund for, or participle form.

Probably, you mix up parts of speech and functions. Whatever function, 'according' is either gerund or present participle. 'According to' is an adverbial phrase, I agree, but you haven't proved it, because you haven't defined whether it's a gerund or a present participle form.

"In according" should be gerund because of the preposition 'in' - that's why it can't do the job of an adverb, which present participle can. But then you should get rid of the preposition 'in'. Hence 'according to'.

As I have said, it's either you choose 'in' before 'according' and use a direct object afterwards or get rid of 'in' and use 'to'.

Goodman, as far as I remember, you are an engineer majoring in electricity or something like that, right? Switch on your logic.

  
Schetin  #418214  Thu, 13 Sep 07 09:50 PM

Racial discrimination in according financial loans

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Grammar Geek  #418274  Fri, 14 Sep 07 12:39 AM

Racial discrimination in according financial loans

That's a completely different use of the word "according" - it's more like "distributing" or "allocating" and not the idea of comporting to something, which is what we've been discussing.

  
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Goodman  #418399  Fri, 14 Sep 07 06:24 AM
 Schetin wrote:

 Goodman wrote:
... but all in all, the grammar rules still applies. Simply, "in according" is bad English. The logical usage with "according" are "according to" or "in accordance with/ to". Some absolutely agianst the usage of "In accordance to", but this is used quite often. I am not a grammarian and I am not going to debate the ligitimacy of this usage. But "according" is an adverbial phrase and has nothing to do with the gerund for, or participle form.

Probably, you mix up parts of speech and functions. Whatever function, 'according' is either gerund or present participle. 'According to' is an adverbial phrase, I agree, but you haven't proved it, because you haven't defined whether it's a gerund or a present participle form.

"In according" should be gerund because of the preposition 'in' - that's why it can't do the job of an adverb, which present participle can. But then you should get rid of the preposition 'in'. Hence 'according to'.

As I have said, it's either you choose 'in' before 'according' and use a direct object afterwards or get rid of 'in' and use 'to'.

Goodman, as far as I remember, you are an engineer majoring in electricity or something like that, right? Switch on your logic.

Schetin,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I think you are trying to share with us your brand of humor but I am not amused. My logic is always at work. May I return a favor by suggesting that you review the “part of speech”. First. to my knowledge, there is no such usage as “in according”. Secondly, According is not a gerund, nor a present participle; it's an adverb if I am not mistaken.

<<<<Probably, you mix up parts of speech and functions. Whatever function, 'according' is either gerund or present participle. (I don't think so) 'According to' is an adverbial phrase, I agree, but you haven't proved it, because you haven't defined whether it's a gerund or a present participle form. (Did you read my last post? I said it's neither a gerund, nor a present participle9:11:20 PM

"In according" should be gerund because of the preposition 'in' ( Nah! not true) - that's why it can't do the job of an adverb, which present participle can. But then you should get rid of the preposition 'in'. Hence 'according to'.

As I have said, it's either you choose 'in' before 'according' and use a direct object afterwards or get rid of 'in' and use 'to'. (Ok, if you say so, but I never heard of that in my life Tongue Tied [:S])

Goodman, as far as I remember, you are an engineer majoring in electricity or something like that, right? Switch on your logic.>>>>>>> (I am afraid the logic I use may present a little difficulty for you to preceive).Wink [;)]

  
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