Liveinsea  +  965133 Sun, 08 Nov 09 01:34 PM I have come across the following sentence: "John came in a second time, flying about 500 feet overa farm near the village of Berg,..." I believe "John came in the second time" is also possible. If so, then what is the difference? Thank you very much! Liveinsea Joined on Tue, Mar 20 2007 New Member 34 Sentences

	DougLewis  +  965139 Sun, 08 Nov 09 01:47 PM John came in for the second time, flying about 500 feet over an area farm near the village of Berg. Might be better. DougLewis Joined on Sun, Nov 8 2009 Canada New Member 35

	Clive  +  965152 Sun, 08 Nov 09 02:12 PM Hi, I have come across the following sentence: "John came in a second time, flying about 500 feet overa farm near the village of Berg,..." I believe "John came in the second time" is also possible. If so, then what is the difference?   Both are possible, and sometimes no difference is intended.  However, with a second time the indefinite article stresses more that this is the first time this 'second time' has been mentioned by the writer.  You could say that it makes the statement more of a surprise to the reader. eg He asked me to lend him  $1000. I did. Then he came back the next day and asked me a second time.   Generally speaking, 'for' is optional, but it depends on the particular context.   Best wishes, Clive       Clive Joined on Thu, Oct 28 2004 Canada Veteran Member 29,645 El tango argentino es un pensamiento triste que se puede bailar (The tango argentino is a sad thought which can be danced) Enrique Santos Discépolo

	Liveinsea  +  965623 Mon, 09 Nov 09 12:30 AM Thank you very much! All of you! Liveinsea