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Latest post Tue, Aug 21 2007 4:17 AM by Liveinjapan. 6 replies.
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Liveinjapan  +  406795 Mon, 20 Aug 07 02:11 PM

Hi everyone

The original sentece in my book is :

In what became known as his "software phase," Welch went to work rebuilding the confidence of the organization.

I think the 'In what' could be replaced by 'In which that'. Am I right?

But I don't think replacing it by 'where that' is wrong, because the 'that' refers to nowhere. The 'that' should be specified there.

What do you think?

Thanks
LiJ

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Please feel free to correct any words I wrote.LiJ
Mister Micawber  +  406810 Mon, 20 Aug 07 02:25 PM

Neither of your suggestions work for my ears, sorry.  'What' if replaced by 'that which' (not 'which that') would make the clause immeasurably awkward. 'What became known as his software phase' is a noun clause object of 'in', and is awkward enough as it is.

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Liveinjapan  +  406830 Mon, 20 Aug 07 02:44 PM

Hi MM

I should have said 'that which', which I saw before in your post. I just wanted to replace logically, but now I understand it's awkward.
What I don't understand is 'In what' in the original sentece is awkward, because I don't have a sence like yours. If you say this in another way, what is the first sentence(clause) like?

Thanks
Lij 

Mister Micawber  +  406848 Mon, 20 Aug 07 03:11 PM

Oh, I don't think it can be, LIJ-- it's just that that structure always seems overly formal to me:  For what were to be the last years of his life; under what was to be the last dynasty of shoguns, etc.


Liveinjapan  +  406855 Mon, 20 Aug 07 03:23 PM

I want to reach the level to see the two sentences you gave as expamples are over formal ones. You don't mean these sentences are not grammatically correct, do you?

LiJ

CalifJim  +  407018 Mon, 20 Aug 07 10:12 PM
In what became known as his "software phase," Welch went to work rebuilding the confidence of the organization.

I think the 'In what' could be replaced by 'In which that'. Am I right?  No.  what is more like that which, not which that.

But I don't think replacing it by 'where that' is wrong,  No.  That replacement would be wrong.

Possible paraphrases:

In that (phase) which became known as his "software phase", ....
In the phase that became known as his "software phase", ...


CJ

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