Dear Firedrop,

Does it mean that Information systems is the first stage in Business Software Engineering, ie, software development?

I think Software Engineering just refers to the issues in development of "any" software solutions, may it be a technical one or a business oriented one. Isn't it?

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These are some of the courses that universities they offer. Information System. Business Information System. Information Technology(Business), Business Information Technology, Electronic Commerce, Electronic Business, Business System, Software Development, Information Technology(Science), , Computer Science, Computer Engineering, Software Engineering, Networking Engineering, Security Technology, Computer System Engineering, etc ..


If you want my personnel opinion I believe that all of these courses are offered by the universities just to get money. I also agree with you that Software Engineers can develop solutions for business or technical systems.

They all overlap between each other. If anybody graduated from any of these courses and wants to do the other field most probably he can do it and that’s because there are really minor differences between them. As you Software Engineers can find a solution for a system and this is what I totally agree with you but what some IT Professionals argue is that they don't have any experience or knowledge in business so they can't understand what the company wants.


In my personnel opinion also, the Business Gradates from IS, IT, EC, etc. Will be much harder for them to work in science or engineering area because it needs high level of technical skills. On the other hand, engineers they can do the job of IS, IT and EC because it is not really hard to understand the business knowledge that the organization requires the employees to understand. (This is just my opinion :P).

Finally, if I am an IT Manager working in a bank and there are 2 guys who came to apply for work and one of them are gradated from IS and the other one from Software Engineering. I will choose most probably the IS graduated but if I and IT Manager working in an industrial companies most probably I will choose the Engineer guy.

NOTE: I don’t want go out from the topic but can you please guys who is their English is there first language or they are English teacher tell me from the following what is my English level :D
1. Beginner
2. Elementary
3. Pre-Intermediate
4. Mid-Intermediate
5. Upper-Intermediate
6. Advance
7. Proficient

Well Firedrop, If I understand, you mean, all roads lead to ROME . That is, all the areas above mentionned in your post (Information systems, Software Engineering, Information Technology, E-commerce, ..etc) just lead to the same point, and it's the job you get that gives you the specialization?
I'm not quite agree with that, for, if there were no differences among all those areas, I think it wouldn't be that much of specialization. Plus, as far as I know, specializations become evident only during the master/postgraduate programs. During your undergarduate program, a broad idea of the possible (otherwise all) areas and careers within the field that a student may follow is given to you, so that by the end of your undergraduate you have, not only a clear overview of the field itself, but also a sound idea of what you want to do, along with the knowledge you might borrow or need from other specialization, that's why I agree with you that a student cannot be an Analyst after his undergarduate, but he will have a clearer concept after his postgraduate/master, and will need to work in real life to improve it. More over I think, in Master/postgraduate, real life cases are given to the students are part of their thesis....I think it's the beginning of their experience.

As regards with your english I can't really rank it, for, I myself am not a native English speaker. My first language is rather French, and I think a good Engineer/Scientist/Diplomat/or whatever job or position, should be able to read, write and above all make him(her)self understand in English.
I have no problem reading your posts, and I got the idea behind each of them...so far.

Hi everybody,

First of all, my english is not so good as yours Firedrop. I'm interested in improve it and know your point of view about IT related subjects. For me all those titles are close each other. It is common for a person choose a course in a university and while his applying on the real market, change a little bit because money, opportunities or because he knows more about his profession. So, I don't see any problem for a professional study Software Engineering and few years after changed to do Business Analysis.

Here in Brazil is growing the role of Business Analist, who is a professional that know a lot about some business subjects like finance, sales, accounting, administration, call centers, etc. and know IT language. So, he can produce the documentation necessary for a programmer start to code.

In this way, you can make any course in this area and try to find your space inside this storm of information.

But, in an academical way, I think software engeneer is prepared to work in any kind of software and Information Software is better prepared to work with Infromation Systems.

 

I hope my opinion could be usefull in this discussion.

 

Bye,