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julielai  #114730  Sat, 02 Jul 05 07:32 PM

This is from Wimbledon.org:

Two games later, the semi-finalists began a third tie-break and that stayed level for 10 points in sucession. Then Johansson served wide to Roddick's forehand and the American responded with a return that clipped the top of the net and dropped over, way out of the hapless Johansson's reach. Roddick served out for the final with a service winner.

Do we need an article there?


 

  
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davkett  #114787  Sat, 02 Jul 05 09:53 PM

It sure sounds awkward in reading it aloud.  But isn't the article aimed at 'reach', as in: ...out of the reach of hapless Johansson? 

 

I notice, however, that 'succession' is misspelled:  'sucession'.  Or is that a typo of yours?

  
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davkett  #114801  Sat, 02 Jul 05 10:39 PM

I realize, Julielai, since you are an advanced moderator, that this has to be more complicated than my comment might appear to suggest.  But I'm in the fray now, and will have more interest in following closely all the responses to come.

Even if the phrase isn't turned around, I wonder if the intent of 'the' is to express something like: 'the hapless player, poor Mr. Johansson'.

  
davkett  #114803  Sat, 02 Jul 05 10:50 PM

(This lack of a working 'edit' button continues to be a pain.  Hurry and get it fixed, folks.)

I should have written 'advanced member' in the previous post.

  
paco2004  #114807  Sat, 02 Jul 05 11:14 PM

Hello Julielai

I don't know whether <the+adjective+proper name> is correct or not. But actually we come across such a collocation. I'll show you some examples that I found online.

  • Congressman, he sent the Rev. Cook and elegant hand Bible, a beautiful walking cane, and other priceless pledges of friendship, which were treasured by this dear man long after the brave Crocket fell at the Alamo.
  • For the person who says save your money for when you need a lawyer, nobody not even the rich Bill Gates can afford a lawyer for all 50 states and Canada.
  • We could tell at night by the sound whether the troops passing along the streets were on the saddles of the Yanks, as they squeaked like new and the thud and tramp of the cavalry horses proclaimed their well shod steeds - while the poor Johnny Rebs made a very different impression in their turn.
  • Mary leaves Monte Carlo, but an old friend, Molly Maxwell, arrives and exposes the truth. Prince Vanno goes in search of the innocent Mary, arriving in time to save his love from adventurers who are attempting to steal her wealth.

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julielai  #114811  Sat, 02 Jul 05 11:28 PM

Bill Gates is known to be rich; Mary, to be innocent.

Is Johansson hapless enough for him to become the hapless Johansson?   Confused [*-)]  (After all, he reached the semis!)

Help!

P.S. I'm not an advanced mod. -- perhaps you're referring to Mr. P, Mr. M, or CJ?  Smile [:)]

Edited: I copied this straight from Wimbledon.org: Two games later, the semi-finalists began a third tie-break and that stayed level for 10 points in sucession (sic).

  
davkett  #114818  Sat, 02 Jul 05 11:42 PM

Hi Julielai,

I did correct my reference to you as a moderator...see my subsequent post.  One more time:  Get us the edit button working, folks.  

(And the reason I mentioned the misspelled word is that if the Wimbledon editor missed the spelling error, maybe the 'the' is also a missed error.)

  
julielai  #114830  Sun, 03 Jul 05 12:05 AM

Hi Davkett,

I am a mod, just not an advanced one. haha

  
paco2004  #114842  Sun, 03 Jul 05 12:27 AM

Hello Julielai

 

You are right that "the rich Bill Gate" implies that everyone knows Bill Gate being rich. But as for "the innocent Mary", it sounds to me as if the writer expresses his/her emotion toward Mary. Probably the writer of your article also wanted to express his/her sympathy toward Johansson.

 

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