is this chinglish?

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Goodman  #266115  Tue, 12 Sep 06 09:04 PM

Hi Liu,

Chinglish is not a "tradition", rather, it's the byproduct which comes from the process of composing thoughts with Chinese grammar and then translate the literal meanings into English. I’ve seen it a lot in Chinese students and the reason is, most students rely on Chinese/ English dictionaries for the meaning of English words and the Chinese translated meanings are literally applied to a wrong context. To worsen the problem, English and Chinese grammars are not the same. As a result, the context with translated content is often confusing and unclear. Also, Chinese expresses passive and past tense differently than English.  For instance, to indicate your have eaten, you have to add an auxiliary phrase to the verb “eat”. The basic form of the verb does not change. Passive voice is the same way.  

 

This sentence is typical of Chinglish style English. The core meaning is not very clear, at least from my perspective anyway. Since the full context is not available, based on what is shown here, I would rewrite it as follows:

To achieve the effect of satisfaction from a visual and sensuous perspective/ standpoint… This may or may not represent what your sentence originally was intedning to express. Nonetheless, your sentence did not make much sense.

to generate satisfactory effect from visual and sensuous aspects.

 

There really is not quick cure for this problem except constant exposure to listening and reading English materials and I found watching educational program helps tremendously for myself.

 

  
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Leolyy  #267042  Thu, 14 Sep 06 05:25 PM
 Goodman wrote:

Hi Liu,

Chinglish is not a "tradition", rather, it's the byproduct which comes from the process of composing thoughts with Chinese grammar and then translate the literal meanings into English. I’ve seen it a lot in Chinese students and the reason is, most students rely on Chinese/ English dictionaries for the meaning of English words and the Chinese translated meanings are literally applied to a wrong context. To worsen the problem, English and Chinese grammars are not the same. As a result, the context with translated content is often confusing and unclear. Also, Chinese expresses passive and past tense differently than English.  For instance, to indicate your have eaten, you have to add an auxiliary phrase to the verb “eat”. The basic form of the verb does not change. Passive voice is the same way.  

This sentence is typical of Chinglish style English. The core meaning is not very clear, at least from my perspective anyway. Since the full context is not available, based on what is shown here, I would rewrite it as follows:

To achieve the effect of satisfaction from a visual and sensuous perspective/ standpoint… This may or may not represent what your sentence originally was intedning to express. Nonetheless, your sentence did not make much sense.

to generate satisfactory effect from visual and sensuous aspects.

There really is not quick cure for this problem except constant exposure to listening and reading English materials and I found watching educational program helps tremendously for myself.

hi Mr Goodman,

yeah, chinglish is exactly the way you say it. and i am sure i'm very familiar with it because we are avoiding but using it every day, hehe

still, "to generate satisfactory effect from visual and sensuous aspects",

where else do you think this sentence is chinglish or not that english?

what if i alter it into "achieve a satisfactory effect in respects of visual and sensuous feelings", as inspired by your suggest ?

Chengwei Liu

  
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Goodman  #267149  Thu, 14 Sep 06 08:33 PM

Hi,

achieve a satisfactory effect in respects of visual and sensuous feelings

By this incomplete thought alone, I still have no idea what you intend you say. Can you put it in a more tangible context?  [In respect to ] or [with respect to] are usually the idiom people use. So I am not sure what you meant by [in respect of ].  I could understand every word in your sentence but feel compleltlely, absolutely lost with it's meaning!Tongue Tied [:S]

  
Leolyy  #267580  Fri, 15 Sep 06 06:10 PM

i'm sorry i think i made the wrong spelling, it is "in respect of", but it seems only available in some chinese-english dictioinary, and i dont know if it is really common one, it means "with regard to" or "with respect to" as you've show, well, now i find that this is not exactly but almost the meaning i want to express, and, i came up with another, "in terms of", i think it approachs the meaning much more. i dont know if "in terms of" is as common?

"achieve a satisfactory effect in terms of visual and sensuous feelings"

is this more ok? actually i meant to say "from/in .. aspects/respects" or " from/in the aspects/respects of .. ", because the chinese translation of this phrase is the very meaning i want to write out.

Chengwei Liu

  
Leolyy  #267585  Fri, 15 Sep 06 06:19 PM

hi mr Goodman,

It might be doubted that the exhibiting operations are those which cost a large amount of money. However, it is intelligible that such operations actually require financial support and human resources in quantity to generate a satisfactory effect from visual and senory aspects / a visually and sensorily satisfactory effect. People will find it more acceptable to enjoy the shows in well designed surroundings. Not only the quality of the presentation needs to be reasonably assured, the security system should also be considered. This is because most art works are from famous aritists and highly valued. Someone may suggest not to do so. Just imagine, who would stop for a look if there had not any noted works in?

above is my recent writing for ielts preparation, and the bold fonts indicate where i'm not sure of about the expression, and there maybe also have some problems elsewhere

you can have a look if you are not busy:-)

thanks

Chengwei Liu

 

  
Leolyy  #267588  Fri, 15 Sep 06 06:22 PM

..i forgot, this is only a part of the response, and its task is "Some people say that it is wrong for the government to spend much money on artistic projects, such as paintings and sculptures in public places. Do you agree or disagree? "

chengwei liu

  
Goodman  #267633  Fri, 15 Sep 06 08:15 PM
 Leolyy wrote:

hi mr Goodman,

It might be doubted that the exhibiting operations are those which cost a large amount of money. However, it is intelligible that such operations actually require financial support and human resources in quantity to generate a satisfactory effect from visual and senory aspects / a visually and sensorily satisfactory effect. People will find it more acceptable to enjoy the shows in well designed surroundings. Not only the quality of the presentation needs to be reasonably assured, the security system should also be considered. This is because most art works are from famous aritists and highly valued. Someone may suggest not to do so. Just imagine, who would stop for a look if there had not any noted works in?

above is my recent writing for ielts preparation, and the bold fonts indicate where i'm not sure of about the expression, and there maybe also have some problems elsewhere

you can have a look if you are not busy:-)

thanks

Chengwei

Hi Liu,

Now that I understand the context which looks like a proposal concerning the visual and appeal of an art exhibit, I think the wording is rather awkward and the usage of the words don’t seem to fit the context. I am sorry if I am being too forward with my comment.

 

Anyhow, if I were to present a convincing proposal, I need to organize my thoughts in such a way that the proposal is clear as to what I try to achieve which must be supported with logic and reasons. I would write something like this.

 

I feel it’s unlikely that the art exhibit such as the one we are planning will consume a large budget. Nonetheless, it must be noted that in order to achieve the highest possible visual effect from the appeal standpoint, we must be given adequate human resources and financial support for such exhibit project. Visitors are more likely to have a higher appreciation and enjoyment with an art show when the exhibit is well lighted and visually well designed. Because the exhibit pieces are highly valued art work from well known artists, we must insure that the quality of presentation and security are at highest level and our staff is well prepared. We must recognize the fact that visual effects and exhibit ambiance appeal attract visitor traffic. It’s my recommendation that they must be given utmost considerations. 

   

Does this work for you?

  
Leolyy  #267765  Sat, 16 Sep 06 05:40 AM

hi mr Goodman,

your writing is well developed obviously, but the writing purpose of the whole paragraph, i feel, is to convince the reader of the importance of the visual and ambient effects, while my original saying is for the noticeable consumption, thus government should make the investment. the reason why i do not make the point very developed is: first, the writing task of the IELTS test(international english language test system) require a quick response in up to 40min for finishing the essay of 250 words, it is hard for me to make a full develop. the second reason is, i feel it more easy to put some ideas in a paragraph than to develop the details, :-) 

chengwei liu

  
Leolyy  #267767  Sat, 16 Sep 06 05:46 AM

Some people say that it is wrong for the government to spend much money on artistic projects, such as paintings and sculptures, in public places. Do you agree or disagree?

Some people disagree with the investment of the government in the field of art especially involving painting exhibitions and the like. Noticing the vital role that art takes, however, I will argue in favor of what the government does.

Art productions are of remarkable importance in our lives. First, they possess the capacity of contributing to a better mood for people who are frustrated in their troubles. Secondly, they help develop people's creativity and mental potential. According to a recent research report, approximately 65 percent of the participants gained reasonable increases in their academic scores after a period of learning in classes of canvas appreciation. Furthermore, established in public places, the displaying of art works can be conveniently accessed by people at large. Lastly, maintaining the aesthetic awareness is, to a considerable extent, beneficial to the current conservational campaign of the traditional culture.

It might be doubted that the exhibiting operations are those which cost a large amount of money. However, it is intelligible that such operations actually require financial support and human resources in quantity to generate a satisfactory effect from visual and senory aspects. People will find it more acceptable to enjoy the shows in well designed surroundings. Not only the quality of the presentation needs to be reasonably assured, the security system should also be considered. This is because most art works are from famous artists and highly valued. Someone may suggest not to do so. Just imagine, who would stop for a look if there had not any noted works in?

Overall, I am sure that adequate support has been collected for my view that the investment of the government is favorable, with the intention to enhance the prevalence of fine arts.

  
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