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Avangi  +  549483 Fri, 01 Aug 08 03:57 AM
Yoong Liat
“ 'A friend of mine' means ' One of my friends' whereas 'My friend' refers to a specific friend.”
Hi YL. I've tried to keep an open mind on this.  My university's motto is "Truth, even unto it's innermost parts," but this is a real challenge.  (I thought Harvard's was more elegant  -  "Veritas.")

At first I wondered, what can he possibly be thinking about?  But I'm more rested now and I can appreciate the difference.  I must say, in my view this is extremely theoretical and of no possible practical use.

The destinction can exist only in the mind of the speaker, and as I said before, would only be useful to suggest to the reader/listener a possible difference in the level of intimacy.  When someone says, "My friend and I went to dinner last night," it's highly likely that the speaker is actually picturing the face of the friend while he speaks and could readily give us his name.  (My youngest daughter uses this form to imply it's none of my damned business who she goes to dinner with.)

When "a friend of mine" is used to begin a narrative, the level of intimacy is only slightly above "an acquaintance of mine," as I said before.  It's entirely possible that the speaker may not even recall the identity of the so-called 'friend,' as he may be referring to an event that happened thirty years ago.  So I absolutely agree that "my friend refers to a specific friend," while a friend of mine may not.

However, you can ratchet up the level of intimacy of this one by adding a name   -   but not by much.  In the 1988 vice presidential debates, Dan Quayle evoked the youth of Jack Kennedy (opposite party).  His opponent, Lloyd Bentsen, was irate, and famously said, "I knew Jack Kennedy.  Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine.  You're no Jack Kennedy!"  (They were senators together.)  Somehow I never took it to mean they were good friends. 

That leaves us with "one of my friends," which in my opinion is taken to imply a higher level of friendship than "a friend of mine," but does not approach the level of friendship of "my friend."

So my position is that the distinctions between the three expressions is useful in indicating the level of friendship, as found in common usage; but not very useful in indicating the specificity of the person referred to, except to allow that the speaker may not recall his exact identity.  (Is that possibly what you had in mind, Yoong Liat??)

  - A.
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Yoong Liat  +  549537 Fri, 01 Aug 08 10:40 AM

Mr.English
Yes what Clive said is a very good way of explaining it, but in essence they are the same and 'my friend' is more commonly used 

Hi Mr. English

Below  are Clive's coments.

My friend                Just refers to one person. I may or may not only have one friend. We don't know.

A friend of mine     Just refers to one person. I may or may not have only one friend, but perhaps suggests that I have more than one friend.

Please note that Clive didn't say My friend  means A friend of mine .      

Hence I feel that you're misinterpreting his comments.     

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Yoong Liat, 1 yr 116 days ago

Clive
“Hi,
All three expressions are fine to use, of course. Here's how I see them.

My friend
                Just refers to one person. I may or may not only have one friend. We don't know.

 

A friend of mine     Just refers to one person. I may or may not have only one friend, but perhaps suggests that I have more than one friend.

One of my friends   Just refers to one person, but indicates that I have more than one friend.

Best wishes, Clive

Hi Clive

Many thanks for your valuable comments.

Best wishes.

 

Yoong Liat, 1 yr 116 days ago

Hi Avangi

Many thanks for your detailed response to my query.

Best wishes. 

 

Mr.English  +  549703 Fri, 01 Aug 08 05:15 PM
Excuse me Yoong Liat, you are extremely arrogant! I stated quite clearly that the way Clive explained things was very good! If you think you speak english better than a native then you must be extremely good! I wonder?!? I am clearly stating that the 3 phrases are indentical in everyday speech, but if you still feel that you're correct then all the best. I agree that there is minor theoretical difference but the practicality of the matter is that in evreyday speech they mean the same!!
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Yoong Liat  +  549712 Fri, 01 Aug 08 05:52 PM

Hi Mr. English

If I'm arrogant, you're insistent. I never claim that I can speak English better than a native, but I like to get to the bottom of things to get a clear picture. In other words, I want to learn from other members, be they native or non-native, But what a poster says must be convincing. There are some British natives whom I know who agree with what I said.  And even Clive didn't say that I was wrong and you were right. And Clive said Here's how I see them'.

Clive has an excellent command of English, but he doesn't tell non-natives off although he has been with the forum for many years. In fact, it was Clive, who introduced me to this forum, and I'm very grateful to him. This is because most of the members discussed topics without telling one another off.

I think a native shouldn't claim that s/he is a native and therefore naturally can speak English better than a non-native. The next thing such a native will claim is that s/he can naturally write better than a non-native. I would like to emphasize that what I've just said is not tantamount to saying that I can speak and write English better than a native.

Tanit  +  549715 Fri, 01 Aug 08 06:00 PM
Hi guys,

I think this topic has already been covered thoroughly and nothing good can be added.
Time for locking the thread.
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