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Anonymous, 2 yr 224 days ago
religions says the unbelievers go to hell so punishmet is part of religions so they can't be considered really peacefull
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Doll  +  350556 Fri, 13 Apr 07 08:11 PM

Hi Nona,   

 It is really forbidden here to do such things and I really don't understand why people talk such things or comdemn each other like that.We have our own rules and everyone can only judged by law.As for that poor woman, yes I admit that such things are still done reasoning the rules in Quran but regarding them as violence may be not true at all.

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Pucca  +  350562 Fri, 13 Apr 07 08:41 PM
 Doll wrote:
It is really forbidden here to do such things and I really don't understand why people talk such things or comdemn each other like that.


Because people tend to generalize. I know, I am generalizing right now but I had to say it!Sad [:(]
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Mythical Lady  +  351175 Sun, 15 Apr 07 05:47 PM

The problem here is that people (i.e non-muslims) tend to look and perceive Islam from this point of veiw that of killing and death sentence, from the media or they just look for information to enhance thier percepctive . What I am trying to say that Islam can't merely be understood like this. If you want to know more, you have to do an in-depth research, ask more knowledgeable Musilms and reach to the conclusion yourself. Many things happen and are done in the name of Islam and Muslims are definitely like anyone else making mistakes and mending other mistakes.

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Sdk  +  353356 Fri, 20 Apr 07 11:06 AM
 Nona The Brit wrote:

Sorry, Doll, you are right, fatwas are legal declarations of all types.

But how about this one? Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1989 pronounced a death sentence on Salman Rushdie in a fatwa.

Also Sharia punishments such as

Nigeria's justice minister has condemned the decision of an Islamic court that a woman be stoned to death for adultery. Amina Lawal - the divorced woman who conceived a child outside marriage - lost her appeal against the sentence on Monday, sparking international criticism.

That's why I say Islam is not really non-violent.

Dear Nona the brit!

         You are right that some people are punished with death in Islam but the same is the case with other religions and systems as well. But do you know what are legal formalities, to be completed before announcing death punishment upon the convicted for adultery/fornication? Consider the following:

There must be four eye-witnesses to the fact and they must give testimony that the alleged person was seen by all the four persons, having penetrated his sexual organ to that of female;

The four people must be sane and adults;

The four people must qualify all the conditions prescribed for a honest person such as he must have committed any heinous sin like theft, falsehood, corruption, etc. He must be such that he is believed by many in the community and obey all the orders ordained by Allah, the Almighty.

Ok Nona!

What would be your feelings and emotions when an innocent individual is assaulted by some one, rape him/her and then kill him/her throwing his/her dead body by the road side?

What would be you feelings when a person infected with AIDS or Hepatitis commit fornication with a healthy person and thus lead him/her on his/her way to death.

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Doll  +  353365 Fri, 20 Apr 07 11:57 AM

Hi Sdk, 

Please calm down people know Islam wrong and you can't teach them the truth with this manner of talking.They may misunderstand you.

nona the brit  +  353453 Fri, 20 Apr 07 04:27 PM

Hi SDK,

Of course we all need laws. But in western countries the governments set the laws and punishments, not the religion. If another country wishes to combine government and religion in that way, then I guess that is their right. But that doesn't give them any right to proclaim judgements and punishments on citizens of other countries, such as happened in the example I mentioned.

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Sdk  +  353667 Sat, 21 Apr 07 12:35 PM
 Nona The Brit wrote:

Hi SDK,

Of course we all need laws. But in western countries the governments set the laws and punishments, not the religion. If another country wishes to combine government and religion in that way, then I guess that is their right. But that doesn't give them any right to proclaim judgements and punishments on citizens of other countries, such as happened in the example I mentioned.

Dear Nona the brit!

 

            First you are not sure whether people of other countries have the right to enact laws in that way you said or not. It may mean that other countries don’t have any right to enact law for their own citizens in the way the people of the land want. If it is so then it is completely against the very spirit of democracy.

 

Secondly, Islam is not a dogmatic religion, but if you study Islam in depth, then you will find that it is complete code of life.

 

Moreover, as you said that law does not give any person right to proclaim punishment on citizens of other countries, then may I ask why the American Govt. has announced awards for killing of some terrorists? Simply that they have threatened the American interests? If so, then what of the person who threatens the emotional life of the whole Community? Why there is international law?

 

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Kabayan  +  354469 Mon, 23 Apr 07 01:47 PM

Dear Nona The Brit, thank you for your honest opinion.

Peace is one of principle in Islam.  In order to make this happen Islamic teaching has been commanding all of its adherents to try their best to make peace.

According war is only acceptable if muslims are in defensive position.  This is another principle in Islam.

Fatwa is a kind of  law opinion made by Leaders or Muslim's Schollars.  Fatwa is merely a subjective interpretation on how practical Islamic law should be.  I do think that there are many Muslims who didn't agree with Ayatollah Khomeini's opinion.

Islam has a legal system called Sharia, and various laws called Fiqih.  Sharia is more general, and phylosophical, while fiqihs are more practical.  Fiqih is also interpretatical.  The main principle is that Sharia or Fiqh should not contradict Islamic teaching principles.

I hope you won't blame Islam for some opinions made by some people who called themselves as Muslims.  Smile [:)]

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