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Tue, 24 Apr 07 11:05 AM
Lol.I liked this fanatism.
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Tue, 24 Apr 07 03:08 PM
Kooyeen wrote: | Hi everyone, I really don't know much about Islam. But what I can say is that even if it is "the religion of peace", I see there is a tendency to fanaticism, extremism, and fundamentalism. In Christianity, at least were I live and the countries I know, fundamentalism is very rare, extremely rare, and even if a few fanatics exist, they are not going to hurt anyone. That's the main difference I see. Of course I'm not saying that most muslims are fanatics or something, but I believe the average muslim is more "religious" and follows the rules in Islam more often, compared to the average christian. Being very "religious" becomes being a fanatic, for some muslims. In Christianity, as I told you, fanatism is very rare.
I hope you understand ![Smile [:)]](/emoticons/emotion-1.gif)
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Fanaticism: Fanaticism is an emotion of being filled with excessive, uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause.
Extremism: Extremism is a term typically used in reference to political and social ideolgies seen as irrational, counterproductive, unjustifiable, or otherwise unacceptable to a civil society. The term connotes the illegitimacy of certain ideas or methods
Terrorism is the deliberate creation and exploitation of fear for bringing about political change.
If you can understand, then none of the above ideas can be applied to Islam. Reference to the 1st, Islam put great emphasis on mind and enjoins upon the believers that they should look into the essence of things.
Reference to 2nd, Islam is the middle way as it caters both to the physical and spiritual being of man contrary to Christianity which says abstains from every things that is worldly and from modern systems which says eat drink and be merry. Islam is the most rational and natural religion of the world. If you study it you will find it like Morris Bo kale whose book “Bible, Quran and Science” can be consulted. In Christianity, you have forgotten the Spanish Inquisition. In the whole Islamic history you will not find such example, but Islam says that there is no compulsion in religion.
Reference to the 3rd, with exception of few Jihadi Groups who also fight for independence, the term is most applicable to America and her allies as they threaten most of the developing countries to do or not to do something, otherwise curbs of any sort may be imposed upon them or that they may be attacked. If it is not terrorism, then what it is!
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Kooyeen
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Tue, 24 Apr 07 08:22 PM
Ok, maybe I was wrong, but what should I say now? I mean, if I don't
know much about Islam I can't express any opinion. The fact is that no
one here in this forum know much about Islam, so whatever thing you say
you'll always get some kind of biased answer, I guess. However, from
what I understand, Islam must be very different from Christianity, that's why I find it difficult to understand. This thread is called "Islam, the religion of peace", maybe if someone explained what is it that makes Islam the religion of peace, the others could then post some comments on that. But if we don't know what to comment on, since most of us don't know much about Islam, what should we say?
Another thing I'm curious about, does Islam say anything about forgiveness?
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Tue, 24 Apr 07 08:48 PM
Yes, Islam says a lot of things about forgiveness but I just remember some of them.
1)Though ... people threw stones at Muhammed(sav) and tried to kill him, when he conqured their lands he set them free.Of course he had the chance to kill all of them with his men near him.
2)One day a man tried to kill Muhammed(sav) again with his knife while they were alone and he told "tell me now Muhammed(sav), who will going to sace you?" Muhammed(sav) replied "God!" and added "God save me in any way you want from this man" and suddenly the sword falls from man's hand and Muhammd(sav) picks it up ans said to him"now who will going to save you from me?" Man was appalled.Though Muhammed(sav) had the chance to kill him, he forgave the man and let him go.
3)Sura Hicr 49 "Muhammed(sav)!Tell them I forgive and sacrifice again and again"
4)Sura A'raf 199 "Ey Muhammed(sav)!Follow the road of forgiveness..."
5)Ihyau Ulumid din "Though having the chance to take revenge, the one who doesn't so is the most virtous one"
If you want to have more information read: -Sura Hac, mucadele 2, -Sura Nisa, 48, -Sura hicr, 49 -Sura Şura, 40
It is so much mentioned that I can't write them all.
hyau Ulumi'd-Din, c. 3, s. 158.
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Anonymous,
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Forgiveness is a part of Islam Ethic Code.
Forgiveness is important for social life in Islam ( muamallah ).
Forgiveness is more important in Islamic Criminal law than punishment.
You can search for those from the Internet and see for yourself.
I know that it is hard to get rid of stereotyping from our life, but it is worth to try. I myself had difficulties to not stereotyping all Englishmen as "Hooligans", or all Italian as "Crazy Mafia Assasinators", or all Chinese as "Kungfu fighters", or all Afro-American as "Basketball players". Yeah, our minds have been constructed by media for a looooooooong time.
But, I am optimistic that most of the members of "englishforums" are open minded people.
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Wed, 25 Apr 07 05:39 AM
Forgiveness is a part of Islam Ethic Code.
Forgiveness is important for social life in Islam ( muamallah ).
Forgiveness is more important in Islamic Criminal law than punishment.
You can search for those from the Internet and see for yourself.
I know that it is hard to get rid of stereotyping from our life, but it is worth to try. I myself had difficulties to not stereotyping all Englishmen as "Hooligans", or all Italian as "Crazy Mafia Assasinators", or all Chinese as "Kungfu fighters", or all Afro-American as "Basketball players". Yeah, our minds have been constructed by media for a looooooooong time.
But, I am optimistic that most of the members of "englishforums" are open minded people.
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Kooyeen
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Wed, 25 Apr 07 04:54 PM
I see, thanks. Well, so what makes Islam the religion of peace? Are there some rules or principles that all muslims have to know and that make Islam the religion of peace? What do you think of the muslims who don't seem to follow a religion of peace but a religion of destruction? (terrorists, all kinds of fanatics, etc...) Regards.
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Wed, 25 Apr 07 09:46 PM
Hi Koyeen,
I think B..h is the worst terrorist but he is Christian.There is no relationship between religion and terrorism.The terrosits you mention killed Muslims, too.
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Wed, 25 Apr 07 10:08 PM
Verses in the Quran concerned with the subject of war :
(1) In 22:40-42 we have:
Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged-and Allah indeed has power to help them-Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, "Our Lord is Allah"-And if Allah did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft commemorated. And Allah will surely help one who helps Him. Allah is indeed Powerful, Mighty
The verse clearly satates that The permission to fight is given to the victims of aggression.
(2) In (2:191-194) we have:
And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not transgressors
(3) In 8:62-63 we have:
And if they incline towards peace, incline thou also towards it, and put thy trust in Allah. Surely, it is He Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. And if they intend to deceive thee, then surely Allah is sufficient for thee. He it is Who has strengthened thee with His help and with the believers.
Thus if in the course of a battle the disbelievers at any time incline towards peace, Muslims should accept the offer at once and to make peace.
Some sayings and orders the Prophet used to give to muslims in any wars :
* Fight only those who fight you.If any one run away from the battle dont follow him, leave him run.
*Children are not to be killed, nor women
*Priests and and religious leaders are not to be interfered with.
*Muslims are forbidden altogether to mutilate the dead.
*Prisoners should live in comfort. Muslims should care more for the comfort of their prisoners than for their own.
And mamy many more. All above are genuine traditions from books that are trusted amng all muslims.
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