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Anonymous,
2 yr 346 days ago
In order to answer the question why they move to Western countries and still insist on not being part of it.
I can only speak for Germany: MONEY, MONEY and again MONEY in welfare checks, of course.
Another reason other than that would be the planning and preparation of terrorist attacks (as 19 apparently peaceful Muslims did in 2001 in Hamburg, Germany).
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Mythical Lady
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Thu, 14 Dec 06 03:46 PM
Hi again,
I mean by Hijab here both neqab or scarf. Why a Muslim woman wears this or that is according to the doctrine to which one belongs. But again this is a matter of princple not of disrespect to the others. I am not going to take off my neqab in order to please a human being, at the meanwhile disobey my God. Anyhow, if anyone refuses to deal with me on the basis of my veil, I am not simply going to deal with them. I have my freedom of choices.
And your analogy to the naturists is an odd one. It's as if you make both black and white the same colour!!
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Aleen
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Thu, 14 Dec 06 08:27 PM
 Mythical Lady wrote: | |
Hi again,
I mean by Hijab here both neqab or scarf. Why a Muslim woman wears this or that is according to the doctrine to which one belongs. But again this is a matter of princple not of disrespect to the others. I am not going to take off my neqab in order to please a human being, at the meanwhile disobey my God. Anyhow, if anyone refuses to deal with me on the basis of my veil, I am not simply going to deal with them. I have my freedom of choices.
And your analogy to the naturists is an odd one. It's as if you make both black and white the same colour!!
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i toltally agree but i wanna know why u wear niqab as i know niqab is not of our sharee'a
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Tidus
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Thu, 14 Dec 06 10:57 PM
| Mythical Lady wrote: | |
Hi again,
I mean by Hijab here both neqab or scarf. Why a Muslim woman wears this or that is according to the doctrine to which one belongs. But again this is a matter of princple not of disrespect to the others. I am not going to take off my neqab in order to please a human being, at the meanwhile disobey my God. Anyhow, if anyone refuses to deal with me on the basis of my veil, I am not simply going to deal with them. I have my freedom of choices.
And your analogy to the naturists is an odd one. It's as if you make both black and white the same colour!!
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How odd that you say that you have your freedom of choices - when beforehand, you say that you need to wear your neqab otherwise you will be disobeying your God? Yet, your God doesn't even insist that you wear neqab.
I also assume that you can see where I'm coming from in the respect of me not wanting to deal with anyone wearing a full veil? After all, you state that you will simply not deal with anyone who would ask you to remove your veil. This is precisely where Islam and the Western world have a stalemate. For me to ask you to remove your veil would be an insult to you, but for you not to remove your veil is an insult to me. Which one of us is right? Both of us are right because you have your way and I have mine. Your way isn't superior to mine any more than may way is superior to yours.
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Tidus
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Thu, 14 Dec 06 11:08 PM
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In order to answer the question why they move to Western countries and still insist on not being part of it.
I can only speak for Germany: MONEY, MONEY and again MONEY in welfare checks, of course.
Another reason other than that would be the planning and preparation of terrorist attacks (as 19 apparently peaceful Muslims did in 2001 in Hamburg, Germany). |
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I can agree in part with what you're saying. But there are also many muslims in the western world who genuinely are here to live peacefully, practice their faith, and basically escape the controlling regimes that they have come from. The danger isn't from your average follower of Islam who lives in the next street to you - they don't want to see all this oppression anymore than you or I. The danger is from the Islamic extremists and the Islamic leaders.
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Mythical Lady
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Fri, 15 Dec 06 11:13 AM
To Tidus:
Indeed I have freedom of choices and this doesn't contradict with what I believe in.The question here is how much I am committed to what I believe in. Really I can take it off as any Muslim woman could do but again there're commitment+principle something from the inside.They come along with my constant desire to please my God. I am totally convinced in Hijab and its goodness. So, IT is my Best Choice.
To Aleen, I have already mentioned that the reason some women wear either neqab or scarf is the doctrine that one belongs to. You know Shafee, Hanbly, Maleky, and Hanafy each has its evidences from both Qur'an and Sunnah, yet they all agree women should wear the Hijab whatever its form and be decent in her clothing particularly in front of strangers.
Regards,
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Mythical Lady
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Fri, 15 Dec 06 11:20 AM
One last request to western people;
When you are dealing with a Muslim woman wearing the veil, stop looking at an appearance and look at something greater than this; the human and mind lie behind the veil.
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Anonymous,
2 yr 345 days ago
This is true. I have a good friend from Afghanistan who moved (sought asylum) here ten years ago. He appreciates it that Nato got rid of the Taliban and made his country a safer place for normal people. At the same time I have met so many young Muslims here in Germany who think America is a country full of jews that deserved to be attacked. And those young men by far outnumber those who see Germany as their home country. Taking into account the ever dropping birth rates of German women and the fact that a democracy always represents the majority of people I dont even dare to imagine what Germany and the rest of Europe are going to look like 20 years from now. It is a fact and I hope that the EU would come up with a law requring criminal foreigners no matter what their religion to head back to their home countries. This would protect those Muslims that came here with good intentions from being considered part of a bunch of outlaws.
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Tidus
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Fri, 15 Dec 06 01:02 PM
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To Tidus:
Indeed I have freedom of choices and this doesn't contradict with what I believe in.The question here is how much I am committed to what I believe in. Really I can take it off as any Muslim woman could do but again there're commitment+principle something from the inside.They come along with my constant desire to please my God. I am totally convinced in Hijab and its goodness. So, IT is my Best Choice.
Regards,
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Yes, you are free to make your choices and do whatever you want in your quest to please your God. However, you are not free to expect other people to adjust to suit you in your quest to please your God because, as you even say yourself - it is your God and you should please him in such a way that it does not affect other people. In the UK we have followers of many religions yet we do not have any issues surrounding them, and the reason is that, unlike Islam, they are not foisting their religion on other people nor expecting them to adjust to suit their religion.
Fortunately, most muslims in the UK seem to understand this and it is only the selfish few who think that it is perfectly acceptable to have no consideration for the way of life here.
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