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Marius Hancu  #541426  Mon, 14 Jul 08 06:48 PM
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To be completely honest, I don't find

"This is the first time I am participating"

while the event it taking place simply doesn't sound natural to me.

I would use

"... I have participated"

in that context.

GG, I wondered myself a bit, so I asked someone else to post in another grammar forum. This is from two grammarians: 

http://thegrammarexchange.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/340600179/m/3181077374

  
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Kooyeen  #541448  Mon, 14 Jul 08 07:38 PM
Don't you guys remember this is the same question I kept asking? I was so confused, and I have to say I still am confused, because native speakers don't seem to agree.

1) This is the first time I'm doing something.
2) This is the first time I've done something.


I remember GG told me that the first form is not really good, but it's not completely impossible either. Another native speaker told me that the first form is completely unnatural, and that if she ever came across something like "This is the first time I'm seeing this" she would think it came from a non-native speaker.... yet I've come across it more than once (George Bush used it too, I think), and another native speaker told me he would have no problem with form #1.
So, half native speakers think it is competely unnatural, and half think it's ok? I don't know. I might try posting this question where there are native speakers of a more "progressive" variety of English, and hear what they have to say.
  
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Tuongvan  #541570  Tue, 15 Jul 08 12:02 AM
Dear Grammar Geek , I also think the way you do. I have consulted a lot of grammar books ,and all of them say the present perfect must be used after "it/this is the first/second/third...time ".I think " this is the first time I am participating in ,,, " is not good English .
  
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Marius Hancu  #541848  Tue, 15 Jul 08 02:57 PM
Kooyeen:

This  seems to  be a tough one, as this other forum  agrees in general with GG that the 2nd should be used:

http://tinyurl.com/5eruy5

So there!Smile 

Perhaps  the most clear answer is from Alan Jones:

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> Could you state your preferences re:

> 1) This is the first time I'm doing [something] ...
> 2) This is the first time I've done [something] ...

> also indicating in what kind of contexts you'd be using each, if at all.

I had to think about this, and I'm still not absolutely sure about it. Still
(BrE):

1. Beforehand: "This will be the first time I've driven a Porsche". Or "This
is the first time I'll have driven a Porsche".


2. In the process: "This is the first time I've driven a Porsche"  (Any
version with -ing sounds wrong to me, though I can't say why.)


3. Immediately afterwards: "That was the first time I've driven a Porsche".


4. Later: "That was the first time I'd driven a Porsche". ("That was the
first time I drove a Porsche" would be suitable if I were
giving an account of my extensive experience of driving fast cars.)

You could certainly say "I'm doing this for the first time" and that would
be suitable whether you were about to start or were actually in the process.

Alan Jones

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