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Delmobile  #460509  Fri, 04 Jan 08 10:10 PM
Um, we say "ten after five." Or, if the time is already pretty well known, just "ten after."

"Oh no, I'm late! Is it five o'clock yet?"

"Yep. Five after."

I feel silly introducing this as a substitute for "ten past," but then I had NO IDEA they didn't say "ten of" outside the US, so I wish to be as helpful as possible.

And yes, khoff, now I feel that "ten of" sounds ridiculous too. Ten of five what?
  
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Openmind  #490828  Wed, 19 Mar 08 09:56 PM
 Could you please show me a website that teaches how to tell the time in US English? I've come across this US based site and it doesn't mention the 'of' version. Maybe it's not that popular even in the US after all?

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Grammar Geek  #490858  Wed, 19 Mar 08 11:50 PM

Well, you have me, Philip, Del, and Khoff all telling you that we do. Yankee will chime in as well.

Trust us. We say it.

 

  
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Yankee  #490910  Thu, 20 Mar 08 05:09 AM
Yes, indeed we do, Openmind.  This use of the word 'of' is not unusual in AmE (unless we stop and ask ourselves WHY we use 'of' this way).Stick out tongue

 

The site you posted contains information geared towards beginners.  We also use 'to' in AmE, so because 'to' is used in both BE and AmE, it seems logical to me to focus a beginner's attention on this usage first.

If you go to onelook.com and check the entries under the word 'of' in Webster's Dictionary or the American Heritage Dictionary, you will find this usage.  There are no regional limitations mentioned in these dictionaries.  Nor is this usage categorized as being slang or informal.  That leaves us no choice but to view it as a standard usage.  British dictionaries simply categorize this usage of the word 'of' as 'US' or 'North American':

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Is it possible that this usage is not so common in a few areas of the US?  I suppose so.  Nevertheless, the usage is quite widespread in the US.  

 

A little googling found this -- someone else who knows about this usage:

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A little more googling turned up this bit of information:  Apparently, back in 1912 two well-respected usage experts had an extremely heated debate about the correctness of the phrases 'a quarter to' and 'a quarter of'.  One insisted that only 'a quarter to' was correct, and the other insisted that only 'a quarter of' was correct.  The article I found didn't mention which expert 'won' the debate.  Seeing as both 'to' and 'of' continue to be used in AmE, I assume the debate must have ended in a draw. Big Smile

  
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Openmind  #490979  Thu, 20 Mar 08 10:25 AM
 So there isn't even a single ESL website designed for learners of English that teaches the use of 'of' when it comes to telling the time? How are ESL learners supposed to learn this usage then? 
  
Grammar Geek  #491022  Thu, 20 Mar 08 12:34 PM

Because "to" is correct on both sides of the Atlantic you can feel confident in using "to." You pick up "of" in your interacting with native speakers, whether in person or from television or other media. If you never used "of" you would not be marked as an usual speaker.

 

  
Openmind  #491028  Thu, 20 Mar 08 12:44 PM
 Are you saying that US based ESL websites are teaching to use "to" because this correct in the UK and the US? Why would they do that? 
  
nona the brit  #491043  Thu, 20 Mar 08 01:12 PM

I don't understand your question...why wouldn't they teach 'to' if it is correct in the US?

  
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Yankee  #491064  Thu, 20 Mar 08 02:04 PM
Hi Openmind

Have you ever considered changing your moniker to "DoubtingThomas"? Wink (Just teasing you a little!)

To put it in the simplest possible terms, using 'of' instead of 'to' when telling time is basically simply a matter of replacing the word 'to' with the word 'of'. 

Since of basically follows the same "rules"/pattern as to, I'd say an Ameican ESL teacher is likely to treat this usage of of a bit like an idiom since it is usually covered only after the basic mechanics of time-telling with 'to' have been mastered, and also because this usage is a special characteristic of American English. (By the way, the words til and before are also sometimes used instead of to).  As I mentioned,  I would not expect this usage to be covered in a beginner level lesson on telling the time. Therefore, by the time an American teacher presents the usage, there is no need to rehash all of the basics of how to tell time in English. If I went into all of the basic details of telling time with students who had already mastered the basics, they'd not only be bored silly, but would probably think I was nuts to boot.  On the other hand, if I had a beginner-level group and attempted to teach them 'to', 'of', 'til' and 'before' all at once, they'd only end up totally confused -- and they'd probably think I was nuts, too. Big Smile 

This usage of 'of' does tend to be a spoken one since people normally use numbers rather than words when writing the time.  In other words, in written English you're likely to see 5:45 instead of 'five forty-five' and '(a) quarter to/of/till/before six', or 2:55 instead of 'two fifty-five' and 'five of/to/till/before three'.  However, if you read novels (by authors such as Steven King, for example) or spend time talking with lots of  Americans, you will be able to see/hear this usage of the word 'of' in action.  

Here is a German ESL site that mentions the use of 'of' instead of 'to': Wink

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And here are some more sites to look at:

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