If only you knew how much I loved you

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Kooyeen  #346338  Mon, 02 Apr 07 03:08 PM
Hi,
I'm wondering about this sentence (heard in a song):

If only you knew how much I loved you.

Can that "I loved" be present in meaning? I think it could refer to the past ("I once loved you"), but also to the present ("I love you now").
Would it be ok to say "If only you knew how much I love you"? I think there would be a difference:
If only you knew how much I loved you. (You don't know how much I love you, and I wish you knew that. Could be used in a song, for example)
If only you knew how much I love you. (I love you more than you think, I love you so much and now I'm telling you)

Any comments? Thank you in advance Smile [:)]

  
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Marius Hancu  #346339  Mon, 02 Apr 07 03:12 PM
Only love works IMO for present time.
  
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Philip  #346349  Mon, 02 Apr 07 04:00 PM
 Marius Hancu wrote:
Only love works IMO for present time.
I have to agree.
  
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Kooyeen  #346424  Mon, 02 Apr 07 07:07 PM
Thanks, but...
how strange, we usually say "If only I knew where she lived..." (I don't know where she lives) and "If only I knew what this was..." (I don't know what this is), how comes this doesn't work with "love"?

Thanks Smile [:)]

  
Kooyeen  #346933  Tue, 03 Apr 07 08:08 PM
Is the verb "to love" an exception then? Are there other exceptions? Thanks Smile [:)]

  
CalifJim  #346993  Tue, 03 Apr 07 11:52 PM
Can that "I loved" be present in meaning?
Yes. In fact, that's my first take on it.  It's just a backshift of love under the influence of knew.
Would it be ok to say "If only you knew how much I love you"?
Yes.
I think there would be a difference
Not to me.

Your alternate interpretations are valid, but not the first thing that comes to mind.

CJ

  
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Kooyeen  #347293  Wed, 04 Apr 07 07:47 PM
Thank you Jim, you saved my brain from melting. Stick out tongue [:P]
Now, I'd like to ask a few more questions to complete this thread...

If only you knew how much I loved you.

You said that "loved" can refer to the present. Can it also refer to the past, or is it more usual to use the past perfect "had loved" in that case? Here's the sentence again:

If only you knew (=If you knew now) how much I [loved/ had loved] you. (=I once loved you, referring to the past)

It seems in sentences like that backshifting is more common than not backshifting when referring to the present ("if I knew where she lived" instead of "...she lives"), but what happens when we refer to the past? I suspect that in that case backshifting wouldn't be the common choice, for the simple reason that native speakers don't tend to use the past perfect much. Any opinions?
Thank you in advance Smile [:)]

  
Aikea  #347324  Thu, 05 Apr 07 12:08 AM
Use If only to say that we would like things to be different.

If  only + past can be used to talk about the present.

If only + past perfect is used to talk something about the past.
  
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CalifJim  #347379  Thu, 05 Apr 07 05:43 AM
Eeuw!  Melted brains are so unsightly!

You said that "loved" can refer to the present. Can it also refer to the past
Yes.  There is always an end to the backshift process -- the point where you run out of tenses that refer to an even more distant point in time!  In this case I wouldn't feel comfortable going even as far as the past perfect.  If only you knew how much I had loved you is just a bit quirky, I think.  With the main clause in the past perfect, it sounds all right to me, though here the subordinate clause is not backshifted any more than in your original example.

If only you had known how much I loved you.

CJ

Note:  The word order for this expression with "know" is more likely to be If you only knew, at least where I live, at least used alone, as follows.

-- You seem tired.  Did you have a rough night?
-- If you only knew.


CJ




  
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