Which language is most difficult language for people to learn?

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Anonymous  #537369  Sun, 06 Jul 08 12:27 PM

Forbes
I think Polish simply has the reputation of being difficult because of the way it looks on the page; it appears to have some fearsome consonant clusters. Even then, whilst it does have consonant clusters that English lacks, appearances are a bit deceptive; the combination szcz looks like four sounds, but is in fact two.


I don't agree with you. In Polish not only sounds are difficult, but also grammar is horrible! Believe me even Polish people don't speak Polish very well. http://hubpages.com/hub/Most_Difficult_Languages_-_Polish - this is a page where you can see a Polish grammar. And I know one Spanish who lives in Poland 9 years and he speaks bad Polish despite he had learned for a long time.

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Again, Japanese has the reputation of being difficult because it has the most complex writing system of any language. The language itself is just as easy/difficult as any other language.


And I don't agree with you again. I have a friend who is Japaneese and my sister is learning Japaneese too. This language has so crazy rules in grammar! For example: when you're counting some things you use different numbers for things which are flat and different for big mammals.


This two languages are really difficult.
The reputation is from somewhere, huh?
  
Forbes  #537453  Sun, 06 Jul 08 06:00 PM
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Polish not only sounds are difficult, but also grammar is horrible! Believe me even Polish people don't speak Polish very well. http://hubpages.com/hub/Most_Difficult_Languages_-_Polish - this is a page where you can see a Polish grammar. And I know one Spanish who lives in Poland 9 years and he speaks bad Polish despite he had learned for a long time.


The idea that the Polish do not speak Polish well cannot be correct. All that that statement can mean is that the way the Polish speak is not the same as the standard written language. The site you quote says that Polish has 17 words for "two". Spanish has 18 words for "you":

 

te

ti

vosotros

vosotras

os

usted

ustedes

lo

la

le

los

las

les

se

-tigo

-sigo



It has 18 if you count vos. Further, Spanish is a null subject language and subject pronouns do not need to be used if plain from the context; that makes one extra possibilty for a non-native speaker to consider. It is too easy to highlight a particular feature and put it forward as evidence that the language is difficult.

I know a few people who have lived in Spain for over 20 years and cannot speak Spanish.

Polish has no definite or indefinite articles. Whenever you speak English you have to make one of three choices every time you use a noun: (a) use the definite article (b) use the indefinite article (c) use no article. This presents no difficulty for native speakers, but for speakers whose languages have no articles it presents a difficulty. When it comes to the question of articles English is more " difficult" than Polish.

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I have a friend who is Japaneese and my sister is learning Japaneese too. This language has so crazy rules in grammar!


All languages are equally crazy, but do not seem so to native speakers.
  
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Cool Breeze  #537645  Mon, 07 Jul 08 09:07 AM
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All languages are equally crazy, but do not seem so to native speakers.

 

To me that is like saying: All people are equally tall.

I am not sure how many Finnish words there are for "you". It depends on how you want to count them; many suffixes and inflections can be added to Finnish words. The basic number of corresponding words without any suffixes is probably about 30. I'm not saying that this makes Finnish particularly difficult compared to other languages. We just use fewer prepositions.

The fact that English morphology is very simple does give a learner the impression that English is very easy. I remember that very clearly when I was a young boy and realised with great joy that a great number of Finnsih verb forms could be translated by using just one or two English verb forms. In the early going that is important. It encourages one to go on with one's studies. Of course the initial impression is at least partly wrong: even though the grammar seems ridiculously simple at first, there's more to it than meets the eye. One realises only later that there are very strict guidelines involving other points of grammar that have to be observed. Also, a language that is easy to some learners may prove difficult for others.

English spelling is usually mentioned as an example of what is difficult in English, and with justification! One aspect that is rarely mentioned as an example of difficulty is the pronunciation. This is of course due to native speakers not having any problems there except for some rare words. As a rule, a native pronounces a common word correctly the way he uses articles correctly. Since English pronunciation is just as illogical as the spelling is, pronunciation presents big problems for nonnatives. There's a difference in words like famous and infamous and the stress seems to travel towards the end of words when the words get longer: 'photo, pho'tography, photo'graphic, photogra'vurist. Fortunately the last word is seldom need these days!Smile We talk about agricultural 'produce but we pro'duce agricultural products. (What is easy about Finnish is the pronunciation. A word is nearly always pronounced the way it is spelled and the main stress is always on the first syllable.)

However, the initial  -  albeit wrong!  -  impression is that English is easy and no doubt that is one of the reasons children and grown-ups alike are so eagerly attracted to studying it. I remember when I was 11 and had to choose between German and English that this apparent easiness was a major factor in my choice. Of course I studied German too, but that came a few years later. I found German grammar easy because it was so consistent and logical, and the morphology was very simple compared with my native language. Later at Helsinki University studying Old English was a breeze for me because it was so much like modern German, which I had studied in high school.

These days pupils usually start studying English at the age of nine. Nine-year-olds shouldn't be taught any real grammar at all. They are too young to understand it. Since other methods are used in the early going and students don't get familiar with grammatical terms, a student may have highly original opinions about English grammar after he graduates from high school. A 20-year-old university student once said to me: "But English has no grammar!"Big Smile

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Forbes  #537684  Mon, 07 Jul 08 11:40 AM
When you say that English morphology is simple, I assume you are referring to the comparative lack of grammatical inflection. English employs a wide range of prefixes and suffixes to form new words. So, while English is highly analytic, it is by no means totally isolating, though it has isolating tendencies.

I think we have some difficulty with the word "grammar". "Grammar" includes not only morphology, but also syntax. When a student says "Latin has a lot of grammar" he means that he has had to memorise conjugations and declensions. Equally, a student of English, when he declares "English has no grammar" means he has not had the chore of memorising lots of paradigms. But clearly English has syntax - if it did not it would be soup.

In the introduction to my copy of Teach Yourself Malay the author says:

Malay is an easy language. Bafflingly easy. At the end of ten weeks you feel that you know all that there is to be known. At the end of ten years, you know you never will.

and

Malay words change their function according to context. Be prepared for this, and do not attempt to force the language into a set mould. It will escape.

Similar (but perhaps a little less extreme) observations may be made about English. It does not lack complexity; its complications are just different from other languages. The point is that some of the complications may not be perceived by native speakers or those who have learned it slowly over a number of years or live in a society where English is prevalent. Assertions that English is simple compared to other languages are purely subjective.
  
Cool Breeze  #537749  Mon, 07 Jul 08 02:18 PM
 Hi Forbes

I agree with you completely. Of course grammar includes syntax. I wrote about the very first experiences of a person who is beginning his language studies. All such experiences are very subjective!

I don't think there is an objective way or method to measure and compare the difficulty of languages. I honestly believe that just like people prefer different tastes and colours and whatever, they also vary in their ability to learn languages (and other things as well). If somebody thinks and says that a certain language is easy or difficult for him, it is his subjective view but he is certainly right. At least he feels that way. He may have a very superficial knowledge of the languages he is studying but if he finds one language easier or more difficult than other languages he is certainly right. 

 I know from experience that even if someone has a flair for languages, not all languages are equally easy for him. A language that is easy for some may be difficult for others. That's a fact. There are teachers who have been teaching languages for 35 years to thousands of students in Finland. They have noticed the differences.

Learning a foreign language is extremely subjective. Every student studies at least two foreign languages in comprehensive school in Finland. After that, in secondary school many students study a third foreign language. Some take up a fourth language. Students and teachers have a lot of experience in foreign language acquisition here.

With regard to English, most students never get far enough in their studies to really comprehend the intricacies of the language. They don't have to: graduating from comprehensive school calls for nothing special and it is possible to pass the nationwide Matriculation Examination, which is required if you want to graduate from secondary school, with very low language skills. Perhaps that is just as well. There are other things than languages that are also important. For many it's enough to be able to use basic English on their travels abroad and to exchange a few words with foreigners.

It's no wonder many students consider English easy. They never get far enough to encounter the difficulties, apart from the spelling, pronunciation and idioms!Smile

Cheers, CB

  
Kooyeen  #537986  Mon, 07 Jul 08 10:03 PM
Just some quick comments:

1) It is obvious you can't tell which language is the most difficult to learn, because it's a subjective thing. "Difficult" means you are not able to do it well, but someone else might have no problems. Playing the guitar might be difficult for those who never learned how to use one, but it's pretty easy and enjoyable for many others. So I think I wouldn't have problems with Spanish grammar, since I'm Italian, but I doubt I would find Chinese ideograms quite easy.

2) Every language has some aspects you would find difficult, and others you would not find so difficult after all. All this is still very subjective. Some aspects you might want to consider are grammar, pronunciation, writing, speech registers, cultural aspects, regional aspects, etc.

3) The more a language it taught, the simpler it is to find what you need (more material = a better perspective and understanding). So English and Spanish, no matter how difficult and who finds them difficult, have a huge advantage: they are taught a lot. On the net you'll find an avalanche of websites to learn them, for free. Lots of teachers, lots of courses, lots of material. But now try to learn Finnish for example... how many forums to learn Finnish for free from volunteers are there online? As many as those for ESL? Hmm, no way. So less material --> higher probability of confusion and slower improvement.

4) What do you mean by learning a language? Learning the basic words? The basic grammar? Advanced vocabulary? Good style too? Perfect pronunciation? Learning about the major dialects too? And about the cultural aspects?
So the point is, at what level are you going to use a language you are learning? Maybe it's simple to learn how to say the most basic things ("hello, how are you?") in every language, but how about talking about eye surgery like a professor would? Attending a history lecture and understanding basically everything? You need "mastery" for that, and it's probably extremely hard to achieve for every language, no matter how subjective the difficulty might be.

Just my thoughts Smile
  
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Cool Breeze  #538015  Mon, 07 Jul 08 10:46 PM
 Kooyeen, however hard I might try, I can't disagree with you on any one of your points!Smile

CB

  
Anonymous  #542090  Wed, 16 Jul 08 12:03 AM
hebrew is the most difficult language to learn!
  
Anonymous  #549571  Fri, 01 Aug 08 12:20 PM
hi!
i think turkish is most diffucult to people to learn.arabish is second.i learned it for 3 months(read and write)
anyway turkish was chosen the most diffucult in the world years ago
  
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