Robert Lieblich    665673 Fri, 19 Sep 03 02:44 PM ^^ "I like that." "Typo. The letter "o" and "i" are beside one another in my keyboard. By the way, "beside one another" does ... expressing it. I suppose that its menaing can be easily understood, but how would it be expressed by a native?" "Next to each other" or (fancier) "adjacent." Bob Lieblich Well, that's how *I* would do it Robert Lieblich

	Skitt    665871 Fri, 19 Sep 03 07:32 PM ^^ "Typo. The letter "o" and "i" are beside one another ... understood, but how would it be expressed by a native?" ""Next to each other" or (fancier) "adjacent."" ... and it would be "*on* my keyboard." I don't think that's another "o" and "i" mishit, is it? "Mishit" looks funny, eh? Skitt (in Hayward, California) Skitt Countries, United States

	R H Draney    665900 Fri, 19 Sep 03 07:39 PM Robert Lieblich filted: "By the way, "beside one another" does not sound well ... understood, but how would it be expressed by a native?" ""Next to each other" or (fancier) "adjacent."" Also "side by side" or (jocularly) "cheek by jowl"..r R H Draney

	Javi    665909 Fri, 19 Sep 03 08:09 PM ^^ ""Next to each other" or (fancier) "adjacent."" "... and it would be "*on* my keyboard." I don't think that's another "o" and "i" mishit, is it?" No, it isn't. So, you say "the m key *on* my keyboard"? I didn't know it. ""Mishit" looks funny, eh?" Indeed. I had to think about it for some minutes, as I was mistrying to misrelate it to "***".  Saludos cordiales Javi Conjunction of an irregular verb: I am firm. You are obstinate. He is a pig-headed fool. Javi

	Raymond S. Wise    666272 Fri, 19 Sep 03 11:13 PM "And I would specifically exclude the possibility that "Conquering a ... true example of racism, there is no possibility of conversion." "And yet you (I think it was you, but it may have been Evan) said that asking people to behave as they did, and unlike their fathers, was racist. But that is the essence of "conversion"." It wasn't me. I'm in favor of a certain sort of homogenization, I suppose, in that I am in favor of every child in a country being taught the standard dialect, but I'm in favor of diglossia, so that the child would still retain his mother tongue (and the cultural behaviors which are attached to that). I'm also in favor of the people of a country being governed by the same set of laws, with limited exceptions for some religious practices. None of that is conversion. It is, at most, adaptation. Raymond S. Wise Minneapolis, Minnesota USA E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com Raymond S. Wise Dialects, Countries, United States, Languages

	R J Valentine    666406 Sat, 20 Sep 03 05:06 AM }> }>>> }>> Typo. The letter "o" and "i" are beside one another in my keyboard. }>> }>> ... and it would be "*on* my keyboard." I don't think that's another }>> "o" and "i" mishit, is it? }> }> No, it isn't. So, you say "the m key *on* my keyboard"? I didn't know it. } } Yep. And we say "I didn't know that." Some of us say "I did not know that." And "Yup." R. J. Valentine R J Valentine

	Mark Browne    668471 Tue, 23 Sep 03 03:00 PM On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, in alt.usage.english, message (Email Removed), Raymond S. Wise (Email Removed) writes "become" "And yet you (I think it was you, but it ... fathers, was racist. But that is the essence of "conversion"." "It wasn't me. I'm in favor of a certain sort of homogenization, I suppose, in that I am in favor ... set of laws, with limited exceptions for some religious practices. None of that is conversion. It is, at most, adaptation." True, but it is the same as the "behave as we do, or you won't fit in" message that you said earlier that you disliked. In my opinion, it is the only way for a society to function, and changes to the acceptable behaviour tend to be gradual. Mark Browne If replying by email, please use the "Reply-To" address, as the "From" address will be rejected Mark Browne Countries, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Usages, Languages

	David O'Boy    673127 Tue, 30 Sep 03 03:47 AM "The terms "Latinos" and "Hispanics" are mainly governmentese catch-alls. The actual people are either Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Columbians, Hatians, etc. Sticking with their citizenship seems better than trying to break everyone down into ethnic origins, even in broad terms." But Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, and anyone born in this country whoever his/her parents are or where they're from is a U.S. citizen. Including a lot of Spanish-surnamed whose ancestors were living in the areas that are now Texas, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, and California long before the U.S. stole half of Mexico in 1848-52 (yes, San Francisco was a sleepy little town in Northern Mexico until the U.S. "conquered" it). (And while we're at it, comparing the physiognomy of "American Hispanics" with that of your "typical" Spaniard will show you that most so-called Latinos/Chicanos/Hispanics have a *lot* of "Native American" ancestry; whereas the Francophones from Haiti and the Spanish-speakers from the Dominican Republic are mostly Black African.) So "sticking with their citizenship" means diddly till you know what you're talking about, such as what "citizenship" means. And the country in South America is Colombia (no U), and Haitians (from Haiti, again see the spelling) speak French and/or a French+WestAfrican creole (so they're not Latinos and couldn't be called Hispanics), and... Forgive me if someone(s) further along in this thread pointed this stuff out already. And if no one did, What's wrong with you people? I thought y'all was for-real pendants hereabouts! D. "Any sentence that begins 'Humans would never be so stupid as to...' is very probably wrong." -David M. Palmer, on Usenet David O'Boy Spelling, Sentences, Countries, Friendships, Colours, United States, American, Speaking, Chat, Writing, Languages