David O'Boy    673142 Tue, 30 Sep 03 03:56 AM Raymond S. Wise (Email Removed) wrote to "Maria Conlon" (Email Removed): "Haitians aren't Latino/Hispanic. "Citizenship" doesn't quite work as a term to use when speaking of such matters because the children born in the US of Latino parents are American citizens:" I stand corrected: there really *was* no need for *my* flip retort because what I said *had* been said already. Hence I must apologize to Ms. Conlon for telling her what she'd already heard, and to Mr. Wise and the rest o' y'all pedants for underestimating youse peeps. I promise to do better in the future. Really! D. "Any sentence that begins 'Humans would never be so stupid as to...' is very probably wrong." -David M. Palmer, on Usenet David O'Boy Sentences, Countries, Friendships, United States, American, Speaking, Chat

	Michael West    673162 Tue, 30 Sep 03 04:45 AM "The terms "Latinos" and "Hispanics" are mainly governmentese catch-alls. The ... break everyone down into ethnic origins, even in broad terms." "But Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, and anyone born in this country whoever his/her parents are or where they're ... stuff out already. And if no one did, What's wrong with you people? I thought y'all was for-real pendants hereabouts!" I'm terrribly sorry, but, as was a certain Rick Blaine with regard to the water situation in Casablanca, you've been misinformed. Captain Louis Renault Michael West Regards, Countries, United States, Apologies

	Mickwick    673551 Tue, 30 Sep 03 07:27 PM "(And Sindh is Indian, whereas the Northwest Territories are Afghan, thank you very much. But I digress.)" Sind is Pakistani, thank you very much. Mickwick, the universally concerned intellectual optic of integrity Mickwick

	Mickwick    673602 Tue, 30 Sep 03 08:44 PM "(And Sindh is Indian, whereas the Northwest Territories are Afghan, thank you very much. But I digress.)" "Sind is Pakistani, thank you very much." Actually, so are (or were) the Northwest Territories. Oh boy! What's going on? Are you having a giraffe? Mickwick, the universally concerned intellectual optic of integrity Mickwick

	David O'Boy    702773 Fri, 10 Oct 03 04:48 AM "(And Sindh is Indian, whereas the Northwest Territories are Afghan, thank you very much. But I digress.)" "Sind is Pakistani, thank you very much." Half of "Pakistan" is Indian, the rest Afghani (Baluchi and Pashtun). The Northwest Territories were, under a British treaty, supposed to be returned to the Afghani amir around the time the Taliban took over. One of those 99-year lease things like over Hong Kong. I can find the details for you eventually, or you can Google it up. D. "Is it not better to fall into the hands of a murder, than into the dreams of a lustful woman?" -Nietszche Zarathustra trans. Common David O'Boy Countries, Asia

	Mickwick    703364 Fri, 10 Oct 03 05:39 PM "Sind is Pakistani, thank you very much." "Half of "Pakistan" is Indian, the rest Afghani (Baluchi and Pashtun)." Surely if anything in that sentence deserves to be in scare quotes it's 'Indian', not 'Pakistan'. I interpret '"Pakistan"' as 'so-called Pakistan', or perhaps 'that spurious entity, Pakistan'. Now, you might well think that independence was botched by the British and that India and Pakistan would be better off as one nation but it's too late for all that now. Pakistan exists, it is a fact. It's too late for scare quotes. That 'Indian', on the other hand, is crying out for scare quotes. What are you trying to say? Something racial or cultural? Perhaps you mean 'Indo-Aryan'? Whatever. You are not using the word as it is commonly used and scare quotes would be a helpful indicator of this. (Actually, 'Pashtun' should perhaps be in scare quotes as well. I thought 'Pakhtun' was the preferred form these days.) "The Northwest Territories were, under a British treaty, supposed to be returned to the Afghani amir around the time the ... lease things like over Hong Kong. I can find the details for you eventually, or you can Google it up." No, you're all right. You're talking about the Durand Line. But the Durand Line marks (or marked, if you prefer) a political boundary and you seem to be talking about ethnicity, so what's the relevance? (You're not that Jai bloke in disguise, are you?) Mickwick Mickwick Sentences, Countries, Friendships, Asia, Speaking, Chat

	mUs1Ka    703518 Fri, 10 Oct 03 07:21 PM "Half of "Pakistan" is Indian, the rest Afghani (Baluchi and Pashtun)." "Surely if anything in that sentence deserves to be in scare quotes it's 'Indian', not 'Pakistan'. I interpret '"Pakistan"' as ... think that independence was botched by the British and that India and Pakistan would be better off as one nation..." Are you suggesting that the British wanted the Pakistan/India split? As I understand it, the Brits and Indians did not want the split; the Muslims did, and got it. I agree that it was a botched job, though. m. mUs1Ka Sentences, Countries

	Mickwick    704527 Sat, 11 Oct 03 01:10 PM "Are you suggesting that the British wanted the Pakistan/India split? As I understand it, the Brits and Indians did not want the split; the Muslims did, and got it." As I understand it, the Hindus and most of the Brits didn't want the split but Mountbatten was in a hurry to get home so he caved in to Jinnah. (Did his wife's adultery give him itchy feet? Or was it the food? Will we ever know?) "I agree that it was a botched job, though." 'Twas shameful. Mickwick Mickwick Marriage, Countries, Relationships