milky  +  285427 Wed, 25 Oct 06 01:25 PM Could this quote, which originally was used as a satirical parody of French attempts to "liberate" certain cultures and countries, be applied to American actions in Iraq and Afghanistan? "We have arrived and you are free. Anyone found on the street after sunset will be shot." milky Joined on Thu, Jan 15 2004 Senior Member 3,149 Hume said that if we had perfect or complete descriptive knowledge of reality, we could not, by reasoning, derive a single valid "ought".

	J Lewis  +  286266 Fri, 27 Oct 06 02:00 PM No one ever admits to invading a country, it's always "liberation". In a war everybody claims to be fighting a defensive war against aggression. In the past, if a country wanted to go to war it invented an "incident" to justify it. Then George Bush invented the "pre-emptive war", i.e. "you haven't attacked me, but you were going to". When they resist it's taken as proof that they were going to attack. Friendly countries have governments, enemy countries have regimes. We have agents, others have spies. We admire the spirit of our soldiers, but not the mentality of the enemy soldiers. J Lewis Joined on Tue, Sep 5 2006 Italy Regular Member 518

	Aleen  +  286754 Sat, 28 Oct 06 08:58 PM they all proclaim that they are liberating while they end up chopping the lands, killing,mass murders happens things becomes worse than ever, they destroy the country, what kind of liberation is that? and who said that these countires want to be liberated, even france killed a million in Algeria  (since the french and british occupation, the middle east has been destroyed  in iraq 655000 has been killed since the american occupation and the problems between Suna and Shee'a has  been increased , they don't even go out of their homes Iraq has turned into hell!  Iraqis used to suffer becasue of saddam but look what Mr Bush has done he made things even wores. What's  really weird that they consider their soldiers as HEROS or maybe for him the 655000 Iraqis who has been killed by his army are nothing compared to the 415 who has been killed by Saddam Aleen Joined on Mon, Jul 24 2006 Palestine, Jerusalem Full Member 178

	Aleen  +  287140 Sun, 29 Oct 06 10:16 PM  Anonymous wrote: who kills who in Iraq? Sunni kill shii poeple,shii kill sunni and kurds it's a fact that they hate each other,the sunni even blow up a shii mosque! that's why i said the problems between them has increased , before the coming of the american army these problems didn't even happen besides the american soldiers are killing iraqis too u can't deny this fact!and the numbers of ppl who are killed by them is more than the numbers who are killed becasue of suni and she'a conflict and they are bombing iraqis' houses too!! Aleen

	J Lewis  +  287276 Mon, 30 Oct 06 07:53 AM There is a lot of evidence that the ethnic and religious conflicts in Iraq are at least partly encouraged by the occupying forces. It's the old tactic of "divide and rule". J Lewis