Manner and manor

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mailboy:
I don't know how to pronounce 'manor'. Is it read the same as 'manner'?
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Mark Brader:
[nq:1]I don't know how to pronounce 'manor'. Is it read the same as 'manner'?[/nq]
Yes.

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Iskandar Baharuddin:
[nq:2]I don't know how to pronounce 'manor'. Is it read the same as 'manner'?[/nq]
[nq:1]Yes.[/nq]
No!
Cf "glimmer" and "glamour".
Izzy
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Mark Brader:
[nq:2]Yes.[/nq]
[nq:1]No![/nq]
No, yes!
[nq:1]Cf "glimmer" and "glamour".[/nq]
Those are two other words, but they both end with the same "er" as manor and manner.

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Charles Riggs:
[nq:1]I don't know how to pronounce 'manor'. Is it read the same as 'manner'?[/nq]
Close to it, but not exactly. I don't do symbols. Richard?
Charles Riggs
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Charles Riggs:
They do not, nor do 'manor' and 'manner' end with the same 'er' sound.
Charles Riggs
There are no accented letters in my email address
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Alan Jones:
[nq:2]No, yes! Those are two other words, but they both end with the same "er" as manor and manner.[/nq]
[nq:1]They do not, nor do 'manor' and 'manner' end with the same 'er' sound.[/nq]
NSOED shows "manor" and "manner" with identical pronunciations, likewise the last syllable of "glimmer", "glamour" and ""grammar": all end with a simple schwa (no 'r' of course in RP BrE).
Alan Jones
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Charles Riggs:
[nq:2]They do not, nor do 'manor' and 'manner' end with the same 'er' sound.[/nq]
[nq:1]NSOED shows "manor" and "manner" with identical pronunciations, likewise the last syllable of "glimmer", "glamour" and ""grammar": all end with a simple schwa (no 'r' of course in RP BrE).[/nq]
I see that the woman's voice attached to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate sounds the first two in the same way; she lacks the subtlety I'd expect from a refined speaker. To call a manor a 'manner' seems hopelessly plebian to me not something I'd expect to hear even from a Midwesterner or Westerner with an American twang but the final word, as always, must come from Richard.

Charles Riggs
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Pat Durkin:
[nq:2]NSOED shows "manor" and "manner" with identical pronunciations, likewisethe last ... with asimple schwa (no 'r' of course in RP BrE).[/nq]
[nq:1]I see that the woman's voice attached to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate sounds the first two in the same way; she lacks ... a Midwesterner or Westerner with an American twang but the final word, as always, must come from Richard. [/nq]
Neither you nor Richard should be considered expert in Midwestern (or even Western) pronunciation, Charles. Richard, it is true, seems to have spent a few months in Chicago, but it would take a resident/native of the peculiar area in which he resided to judge the authenticity of his analysis of Chi-talk.
Meanwhile, your credentials seem somewhat lacking. . .not unlike Bolton's credentials for representing the US to the UN.
Ray Wise, a Midwesterner, born and bred, and I, (ditto), assert that we speak the ending syllables in manor and manner in the same way (though I admit that Ray does some research to back it up).
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