Pb03  +  660799 Mon, 02 Feb 09 02:45 PM Hi guys, From information online, the phrase in red below seems to refer to some place or area. Still it's so hard to find what they exactly mean, especially what "proper" means. If you have any slight idea, whatever, would you care for some explanations here for me? Thanks pb  -- Overlooked by the dramatic Sierra Blanca 28km west of Fuengirola, Marbella has been the Costa del Sol’s glossiest resort since the 1950s. Yet Marbella proper and its Casco Antiguo or old town has little to do with the conspicuous consumption of the notorious Golden Mile, heading west towards Puerto Banús. Instead, you can enjoy a resort where Spanish holidaymakers balance the  international visitors and a variety of shops, bars and restaurants offer real-world food and goods at real world prices. Pb03 Joined on Tue, Apr 3 2007 Full Member 258 Colours, Online, Restaurants, Languages

	Philip  +  660825 Mon, 02 Feb 09 03:07 PM Marbella itself.  The Seattle area has more than a million people living there.  Seattle proper has only 500,000. I believe that proper comes from the French propre = own, itself, very same Philip Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005 Veteran Member 8,738 At reise er at leve! - H. C. Andersen Countries, United States, Languages

	Clive  +  660826 Mon, 02 Feb 09 03:09 PM Hi, Marbella is the name of a town. Marbella proper means the area that is strictly/legally part of Marbella, ie excluding the suburbs and other areas that seem to be part of Marbella but which lie outside Marbella's legal boundaries. eg Toronto proper, Montreal proper, etc. Best wishes, Clive Clive Joined on Thu, Oct 28 2004 Canada Veteran Member 29,622 El tango argentino es un pensamiento triste que se puede bailar (The tango argentino is a sad thought which can be danced) Enrique Santos Discépolo

	Pb03  +  665538 Sat, 07 Feb 09 10:29 AM Thanks to you guys, I've learned a new word today. Beyond my guesses but quite interesting... ^^ pb Pb03