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paco2004
#103585 Sat, 28 May 05 07:11 AM
Hello Teachers
"She didn't like him because he was rich."
When you read this, which sense do you take as its meaning?
(1) She liked him, but not because he was rich.
(2) She didn't like him, because he was rich.
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CalifJim
#103587 Sat, 28 May 05 07:17 AM
Short of translating these into Spanish, or into some other language where some grammatical machinery such as the subjunctive can save us from the ambiguity, we'll have to resign ourselves to the fact that the subject sentence is just plain ambiguous.
Cleft sentences can sometimes save the day on these:
It was not because he was rich that she liked him.
It was because he was rich that she disliked him.
But to cut to the chase, I take (2) as the meaning if no other clues are available.
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#103604 Sat, 28 May 05 08:26 AM
And, without the comma, I would presume #1-- a clear proof of ambiguity.
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paco2004
#103619 Sat, 28 May 05 10:06 AM
Hello Teachers
Thank you for your replies.
It seems a comma plays an important role in determining the scope of negation.
I should be careful in using a comma when making a complex sentence.
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Amandine
#103669 Sat, 28 May 05 04:26 PM
Hi Paco
I hadn't known either the importance of punctuction until I took a grammar class a couple of months ago.
here is something that can be useful to remember:
when a adverb clause precedes an independant clause ,a comma is used to separate the clauses. When the adverb clause follows, usually no comma is used.
which means, in your example, you should write
she didn't like him because he was rich or
because he was rich, she didn't like him
hope that helps!
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paco2004
#103720 Sun, 29 May 05 01:51 AM
Hello Amandine
Thank you for the information. It's really helpful. Yes, I agree we had better front an adverbial clause, especially in speaking, to avoid the ambiguity of negation scope; "Because he was rich, she didn't like him" rather than "She didn't like him because he was rich." But I often come across to sentences written in a way like "She didn't like him, because he was rich". I think this way of writing is not so bad if a comma inserted between two clauses, because I feel people might often put an adverbial clause after the main clause as an additional information/thought. I am wondering if I were wrong.
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khoff
#103726 Sun, 29 May 05 02:42 AM
"She didn't like him because he was rich."
Here's another possibility that hasn't been mentioned:
"She didn't like him
just
because he was rich."
This one is also ambiguous, but I think it would be more likely to be interpreted as "she liked him, but not solely because of his wealth.
If you add a comma ("She didn't like him,
just
because he was rich.") then it flips back to the other meaning. (She disliked him solely because of his wealth."
Luckily, we have the word "dislike" available to eliminate the ambiguity.
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paco2004
#103729 Sun, 29 May 05 02:59 AM
Hello Khoff
I agree. We can parse "She didn't like him because he was rich" as "She NOT [(liked) (him) (because he was rich)]". Here three elements are candidates to be negated. When we specify the negation to (liked), i.e., "NOT (liked)", we have to use "disliked" for "NOT (liked)".
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