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Yoong Liat  #279550  Thu, 12 Oct 06 10:53 AM

According to the Times-Chambers Dictionary, When you substitute X for Y, you use X.

When you replace X with Y, you use Y.

According to the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, Beckham was substituted in the second half after a knee injury (= somebody else played instead of Beckham in the second half.)

  
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Inchoateknowledge  #279553  Thu, 12 Oct 06 11:03 AM
 Yoong Liat wrote:

According to the Times-Chambers Dictionary, When you substitute X for Y, you use X.

When you replace X with Y, you use Y.

According to the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, Beckham was substituted in the second half after a knee injury (= somebody else played instead of Beckham in the second half.)

HI YL,

Thanks to you, et alia, I am sure I will never forget the correct use of substitute.

  
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Yoong Liat  #279557  Thu, 12 Oct 06 11:14 AM

Incho, you're welcome.

  
Marius Hancu  #279621  Thu, 12 Oct 06 01:43 PM
 Inchoateknowledge wrote:
It is good to know that if I do not understand something in a grammar book, the fault may not reside with me.

Marius, is my previous sentence correct grammatically?

I think so.
  
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Tanit  #279630  Thu, 12 Oct 06 01:56 PM

 Inchoateknowledge wrote:

Thanks to you, et alia, I am sure I will never forget the correct use of substitute.

Incho, this is a misuse of a latin expression! 'et alia' means 'and other things.' You should have used 'et alii,' instead. 

They share the same abbreviation (et al.) so this might be confusing, but, as far as the gender is concerned, the former is neuter, while the latter is masculine, and in Latin you'd never use neuter for humans.

  
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Anonymous  #279779  Thu, 12 Oct 06 06:41 PM
 Tanit wrote:

 Inchoateknowledge wrote:

Thanks to you, et alia, I am sure I will never forget the correct use of substitute.

Incho, this is a misuse of a latin expression! 'et alia' means 'and other things.' You should have used 'et alii,' instead. 

They share the same abbreviation (et al.) so this might be confusing, but, as far as the gender is concerned, the former is neuter, while the latter is masculine, and in Latin you'd never use neuter for humans.

Hi,

Good to know . Thanks.

  
Inchoateknowledge  #279780  Thu, 12 Oct 06 06:42 PM
 Tanit wrote:

 Inchoateknowledge wrote:

Thanks to you, et alia, I am sure I will never forget the correct use of substitute.

Incho, this is a misuse of a latin expression! 'et alia' means 'and other things.' You should have used 'et alii,' instead. 

They share the same abbreviation (et al.) so this might be confusing, but, as far as the gender is concerned, the former is neuter, while the latter is masculine, and in Latin you'd never use neuter for humans.

Hi,

I live and learn. Thanks.

  
Inchoateknowledge  #279782  Thu, 12 Oct 06 06:46 PM
 Marius Hancu wrote:
 Inchoateknowledge wrote:
It is good to know that if I do not understand something in a grammar book, the fault may not reside with me.

Marius, is my previous sentence correct grammatically?

I think so.

r


  
Inchoateknowledge  #279783  Thu, 12 Oct 06 06:47 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_alii

et alii

Used similarly to et cetera ("and the rest"), to stand for a list of names. Alii is actually masculine, so it can be used for men, or groups of men and women; the feminine, et aliae, is appropriate when the "others" are all female, and the neuter, et alia ("and other things"), is also common. APA style suggests that et alii may be used if the work cited was written by more than six authors; MLA style suggests that only three are necessary.

  
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