Next American President?

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Dew 2007  #488774  Fri, 14 Mar 08 08:05 AM
Well, politics has always been a dirty business!

The best think in these election (as I see it) is the There will no Bush any longer. I think he was just a person to laugh at (just like our former prezident Yeltsyn).
  
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Lawyee  #488779  Fri, 14 Mar 08 08:46 AM
Unlike Yeltsyn, Bush has made other nations suffering. Yeltsyn was a disaster only for Russians (still I consider him to be a real democrat - unfortunately not a kind of democrat that Russians would admireWink)
  
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BW2/3  #489003  Fri, 14 Mar 08 10:15 PM

Despite the wrangling I expect to see from the Clinton camp every step of the way, Obama is almost surely going to be the Democratic nominee, and it would take a miracle for the Republicans to win the election this year.

I disagree. Wait the next primary on April 22. If  Obama wins, he will probably be the next Democratic nomination. Those states that Obama won, do you think he can win on the election day? Those states that he won are Republicans states. Clinton won all the Dermocratic states. 

If he can win the big states like Penn, the delegates would side him. Then he would be the next nominee.

I think McCain has a shot to carry the torch.  No need a miracle.  

  
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Grammar Geek  #489270  Sat, 15 Mar 08 04:58 PM

It's pretty clear that Clinton will win more delegates in Pennsylvania than Obama. The role of the "super delegates" will be interesting this year. The Democrats can't discount how much Republicans truly hate Clinton. If she wins the nomination, there are Republicans who haven't bothered to vote in the last decade will make sure they show up at the polls to vote against her.

  
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Dew 2007  #489529  Sun, 16 Mar 08 12:13 PM
Still what would be bettre for the US (and for the world) as you see it? Republican or a democrat? Which of the three?
  
YoungCalifornian  #489769  Mon, 17 Mar 08 05:10 AM

BW2/3

I disagree. Wait the next primary on April 22. If  Obama wins, he will probably be the next Democratic nomination. Those states that Obama won, do you think he can win on the election day? Those states that he won are Republicans states. Clinton won all the Dermocratic states. 

If he can win the big states like Penn, the delegates would side him. Then he would be the next nominee.

Judging by all practical scenarios, it is impossible for Hillary to pass Barack Obama in the number of pledged delegates even with a victory in Pennsylvania.  She has a slight chance at winning the popular vote, and could use that advantage to convince enough superdelegates to push her over the edge, but chances are slim.  If she doesn't win the popular vote she would have to convince the party members that despite having less votes, winning less states, and having less pledged delegates she would somehow have a better shot at beating John McCain than Obama.  She's a good lawyer, but that's a tough sell.

Also, I don't understand the argument that Obama would have a difficult time winning the general election because the states he has won do not tend to be Democratic strongholds.  If anything, I would think his success in both red states and swing states would bode well for the general election.  Isn't the Democratic nominee likely to win traditionally Democratic states no matter who he or she is?  Make no mistake, Hillary is a very, very polarizing figure.  While she has strong support among the Democratic faithful, she is not going to have the success Obama will at attracting independents and moderate Republicans.  Their support will greatly help in the general election.

I think McCain has a shot to carry the torch.  No need a miracle.  

Well, judging the by the nation's recent dissatisfaction with the Republican Party, as well as the fact that voter turnout in the Democratic primaries has simply dwarfed that of the Republicans, I would be shocked to see John McCain ultimately victorious.  Of course, I do think he's got a better shot against Hillary.

  
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Dew 2007  #489862  Mon, 17 Mar 08 12:18 PM
What was that? Is something wrong with my eyes?
  
BW2/3  #489895  Mon, 17 Mar 08 01:22 PM

Isn't the Democratic nominee likely to win traditionally Democratic states no matter who he or she is?   

The answer is no.  Look  at the Demorcratic nominee lost 48 states.

 

Of course, I do think he's got a better shot against Hillary.

 On the contraray, I think McCain has a better chance againt Obama.

 Was you shocked when he was on his way to become the Republican nominee?

  
Grammar Geek  #489898  Mon, 17 Mar 08 01:32 PM

The Democrats have got to understand that if "the people" have awarded more delegates to Obama than Clinton, and then the super delegates end up supporting Clinton, a lot of the people who supported Obama will just stay home on election day. That not only affects the presidential race (and I assure you, if Clinton is the nominee, R's who haven't voted will make sure they are there to vote against her), but also local races. It will hurt the Democratic nominees for Senate and House seats too, if Obama's supporters stay home on election day. I'll be surprised if they put Hillary at the top of the ticket.

  
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