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Fair Lady  #103354  Fri, 27 May 05 09:28 AM
Please check the choice of words, guys.

It’s the animal part of me
That’s so cruelly tempted
By you,
It’s tempestuous bits of me
That you easily take and
Subdue.
It’s the secret passion in me
In delightfully hot
Pursue
After something I want for me -
That’s the animal part
Of you.


PS I am not sure about the collocation "delightfully hot pursue" - does it sound ok?
  
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Mister Micawber  #103749  Sun, 29 May 05 04:41 AM

No, 'pursue' is wrong; it should obviously be 'pursuit', but you have dumped that for the rhyme and no other reason. You are sacrificing meaning and poetic impact for cheap rhythm and rhyme-- and you're failing in the rhythm anyway. The poet does not force words into form-- s/he finds the fitting ones. The torture you are putting these words through is obvious from the fact that you felt you had to isolate the rhymes on separate lines: by you / subdue / pursue / of you. Ugh.

The core concept is good-- animal vs animal-- but I would scrap the piece and start again from 'scratch'. Get rid of the adverbs-- all those 'ly's (cruelly, easily, delightfully), and choose verbs that do the job-- for instance, instead of 'cruelly tempt' try 'lure', which also has animal associations.

Work in nouns and verbs, not adjectives and adverbs. You need to spend more time looking for the mot juste.

Your grammar and punctuation are sloppy-- you cannot abandon them when you abandon prose. Look at your first sentence (which should end with a period or a semicolon, not a comma)"

'It’s the animal part of me that's so cruelly tempted by you.'

Passive voice is alway weak, and cleft sentences are even weaker: it would have been difficult to make this sentence more ineffective! Lots of words with little or no meaning (the introductory 'it', 'that', 'so') or far too general meaning ('part'). What is the 'animal part of you'?-- Be specific, be effective:

'You taunt the cat in me'.

As soon as you introduce 'me' and 'you' into a love poem, everyone else (i.e. your reader) loses interest-- it's like watching two teenagers necking in the park: really, I'd rather not! The poetry is yours by right and by art-- you don't need to plunk yourself into the middle of it. The reader is not interested in reading about your own little emotions, unless they are exquisitely rendered, revealing a new view of their universality.


That should get you started. I look forward to seeing your revision.






  
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Fair Lady  #103987  Mon, 30 May 05 09:42 AM
A really slashing criticism, Mister MicawberWink [;)]

Actually as I expected, I had felt it was not good. Thanks for the guidelines, I'll try to follow them when making other attempts (do you think it is worth trying at all ?). May be it would have been valuable if you'd reviewed my other poems, and commented upon them . Yes, it is really difficult for me to choose words and find precise effective phrases, because my active creative vocabulary is limited - I do not have many opportunities to develop it.

And as far as revision goes... I don't think it needs a revision, but an entirely new version. This one I'll crumple and throw into the trash bin. Let the idea stay "suspended" for a while - may be it will be better to leave it alone until I acquire the sufficient skills to express myself more creatively, so that no necking teenagers appeared in the reader's mindWink [;)]

  
Mister Micawber  #104055  Mon, 30 May 05 02:37 PM

It's up to you to decide if it's worth trying-- if it is, you're a poet; if it isn't, you're not.

In this case, I agree that a new version is called for-- but I think it's certainly a good idea worth playing with some more-- by no means, however, can you 'leave it alone until I acquire the sufficient skills' because the only way you'll develop those skills is by writing. Don't save your 'good ideas' till last; you'll never get there. Write about what grabs you now now.

If you really want to work on your stuff, I'd suggest you participate somewhere like EVERYPOET. They can be-- will be-- cruel as well as honest, but they will help you if you stick with it. Be sure you look through the site thoroughly and read all the guidelines before you post a poem-- they can verbally slice, dice and marinade a poet who posts at too high a level!



  
Fair Lady  #104070  Mon, 30 May 05 03:25 PM
Thanks for the link, Mister Micawber.

Speaking about "leaving it alone" I meant the idea of this poem, not (poetry) writing in general. I try hard to put my ideas into words, and I personally think it's worth doing, to master the art of expressing thoughts in a foreign language in a variety of creative ways.
Anyway I used to manage the rhyme, and the rythm, and the imagery in my own languageWink [;)] I have some time ahead to learn the ways of doing it in English.
  
MrPedantic  #104138  Mon, 30 May 05 10:50 PM
I hope you don't mind if I join in your discussion.

When I first read your poem, FL, I had the sense that these were intended as the words to a song. Something in the style of 'I get a kick from champagne', or 'I've got you under my skin'; though with slightly different content, of course.

Did you model it on anything in particular?

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Fair Lady  #104211  Tue, 31 May 05 07:04 AM
No, I didn't intend to produce a song at all!Smile [:)]
But it's not a bad ideaSmile [:)] Music can make solving the problem of forcing words into the form easier. The more is the pity I don't have anybody in view to help me in it.

But speaking seriously, if it sounds rubbish without music, neither music can make it sound betterSmile [:)] Just converting a poor poem into a poor song...

Well I may be mistaken though, I hadn't faced such a problem before Smile [:)]
  
anita_a  #104418  Tue, 31 May 05 07:40 PM
I'm very sorry to say that criticism should be subtle and encouraging to upcoming poets, but mister micawbar sure doesn't seem to know that.

I personally think that your poem is good Fair lady... especially the idea behind those words... Keep going...
  
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Fair Lady  #104588  Wed, 01 Jun 05 12:49 PM
Thanks Anita, I deeply appreciate your support !

Well, I'd say slicing and marinading can be encouraging tooWink [;)] I will try to express this idea in some other form, because honestly, I don't consider it a suc?ess eitherSmile [:)] At least it can suit for a songSmile [:)]
  
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