None - no one?

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Hello.
Is there any difference between none and no one?
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Hello Latin

none vs no one

When 'none' and 'no one' are not followed by 'of', they mean 'nobody' . The differences are: (1) 'none' is more formal than 'no one' or 'nobody', (2) 'none' is usually treated as a plural noun, while 'no one' is always a singular noun.



  • (o) None know(s) when the terrorism stops in Iraq.



  • (o) No one knows when the terrorism stops in Iraq.



  • (o) Nobody knows when the terrorism stops in Iraq.


  • none of noun vs no one of noun

    These forms can be used for persons and things. Because 'one' in the 'no one' is a numeral, 'no one of noun' is invalid if the noun is an uncountable one.



    • (o) None of us/my friends speak(s) English.



    • (o) No one of us/my friends speaks English.



    • (o) None of the boxes are(is) empty.



    • (o) No one of the boxes is empty.



    • (o) No two of our children resemble each other.



    • (o) None of the food was left.



    • (x) No one of the food was left.
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Hi Paco,

Can you elaborate your comment: When 'none' and 'no one' are not followed by 'of', they mean 'nobody'?

It seems you must be including cases where 'of' is implied, if it's not directly stated, such as: Most of the boxes were less than half-full; none were totally empty.
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DavkettMost of the boxes were less than half-full; none were totally empty.
Hello Davkett

I see. I forgot that usage for 'none'. Thank you very much for correcting me.

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I didn't think of it so much as a correction, Paco, as much as an extended meaning --what I thought was probably in line with your thinking.
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"none" can apply to people or things.
"no one" can only apply to people.

CJ
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According to CJ, this Paco's example is not correct?


  • (o) No one of the boxes is empty.
Hello

I'll say I was not wrong!. CJ said "no one" always means "nobody" when it stands alone (without being followed by "of ~").



  • Now in no one of the seven apartments was there any lamp or candelabrum [The Fall of the House of Usher by Poe, E. A.,]



  • No one of the formations can ever have had a greater geographical extent than that of the seas of the period [The Ancient Life History of the Earth by Nicholson, A.]



  • No one of the enumerated powers touches the subject or has even a remote analogy to it. [A Compilation of Messages and Papers of the President by Pierce, F.]


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Latin,

Personally, and therefore from the point of view of American English, I regard that statement as unusual in that it is so highly emphatic to my ear, unusual almost to the point of ungrammaticality in present-day American English.

No one of the boxes is empty.

The more or less "unmarked form" of that thought is:

Not one of the boxes is empty.

I doubt I would ever generate that first form in my own everyday speech.
Maybe others have different opinions on this analysis. There is something subtle and intriguing about Paco's examples. To me they appear to be more literary ways of saying "not any particular single one".

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