meantolearn  +  757865 Sun, 31 May 09 09:25 AM Is it OK to say the following? "Obviously, the older people should be getting Orthokine Therapy, but not to say that the younger patients shouldn't be getting." Thanks Note: Orthokine Therapy is a newly developed treatment for osteoarthritis. meantolearn Joined on Thu, Feb 24 2005 Regular Member 808 I think; therefore I am.

	Avangi  +  758111 Sun, 31 May 09 12:37 PM But this/that is not to say is the collocation. In your version, the expression lacks a subject. You might say,  "His position is to recommend the treatment for old folks, but not to say that young folks couldn't benefit from it." In this case you have a compound predicate. That is the same subject also serves for your expression. Avangi Joined on Mon, Nov 19 2007 Veteran Member 8,172 ". . . le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile." - Henri de Regnier Predicates, Expressions

	Mr Wordy  +  758121 Sun, 31 May 09 12:49 PM "Obviously, (the) older people patients [?] should be getting Orthokine therapy, but that's not to say that (the) younger patients shouldn't be getting it too."   Your use of "the" implies that specific groups of older and younger patients have already been identified to the reader. If they haven't then you should delete both instances of "the". Mr Wordy Joined on Tue, May 27 2008 Senior Member 2,359 Native British English speaker

	meantolearn  +  758957 Sun, 31 May 09 09:53 PM Hi, Avangi. "His position is to recommend the treatment for old folks, but (his position is) not to say that young folks couldn't benefit from it." Is this what you suggested, the same subject? Note: 'But' is a coordinating conjunction which joins two independent clauses. __ Hi, MrWordy. Thanks for pointing out the use of 'the'. meantolearn Clauses, Writing

	Avangi  +  759310 Mon, 01 Jun 09 02:01 AM meantolearn “"His position is to recommend the treatment for old folks, but (his position is) not to say that young folks couldn't benefit from it." Is this what you suggested, the same subject?   Yes   -   just an optional solution to show that it's not absolutely necessary to add "that is." Note: 'But' is a coordinating conjunction which joins two independent clauses. "But" is many things.  You'd be amazed! I may be old, but not completely senile.  The part after the "but" is not a clause.  There's no subject. ("I'm old but not senile" is a little easier to swallow.   -   compound predicate) No different than "I'm old and lazy."” Avangi Clauses, Predicates, Writing