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Lionel In Paris  +  221667 Mon, 01 May 06 11:59 PM

Is it not true  Salman that India and Pakistan have an estimated 4 to5 million Sadhus (holy men). A large proportion of these (the naga babas) wander around stark naked and the rest with just a string around their waist tied to their penis,. These Sadhus have been around for thousands of years, its part of your culture. One could say your country practically invented nudism.

Or do you simply have 4 to 5 million psychos?. Not to mention your assertion that these men were born from unmarried couples!.

Lionel 

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Jhumjhum  +  221685 Tue, 02 May 06 02:26 AM
Sorry Salman I am not in support of nudism but your comments always provoke me pulling your legs.I just can't resist myself. Smile [:)]
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Salman`  +  221763 Tue, 02 May 06 10:01 AM
 Lionel In Paris wrote:

Is it not true  Salman that India and Pakistan have an estimated 4 to5 million Sadhus (holy men). A large proportion of these (the naga babas) wander around stark naked and the rest with just a string around their waist tied to their penis,. These Sadhus have been around for thousands of years, its part of your culture. One could say your country practically invented nudism.

Or do you simply have 4 to 5 million psychos?. Not to mention your assertion that these men were born from unmarried couples!.

Lionel 



Lionel, your mind suddenly clicked into 6th gear, What are you talking about. The real holy men are called Islamic scholars in pakistan. what's about your culture, making sex without marriages, homosexual marriages, nudisim and prostitution etc. How many guy know about their father, I'm sure hardly anybody know. So is that your religion what it teach to you or you guys have become advance.
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Regards, Salman
Jhumjhum  +  221808 Tue, 02 May 06 01:41 PM
Lionel In Paris ,
Definitely you know a lot about India and Pakistan  Wink [;)]but you need some more homework on
 these.Big Smile [:D]I think your knowledge is not sufficient to comment like thisStick out tongue [:P]

Salman don't be so arrogant. I request you to be more polite.Smile [:)]


Salman`  +  221829 Tue, 02 May 06 02:59 PM
 Jhumjhum wrote:


Salman don't be so arrogant. I request you to be more polite.Smile [:)]




Ok! As you command, your highness Smile [:)]
Lionel In Paris  +  222935 Sat, 06 May 06 08:08 AM
 Lionel In Paris wrote:

Is it not true  Salman that India and Pakistan have an estimated 4 to5 million Sadhus (holy men). A large proportion of these (the naga babas) wander around stark naked and the rest with just a string around their waist tied to their penis,. These Sadhus have been around for thousands of years, its part of your culture. One could say your country practically invented nudism.

Lionel 

Naga babas at their three yearly convention.(In formal dress for the occasion)

Maybe it's only the Indians who are lucky enough to have religious freedoms?...and the freedom to walk around stark naked.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_pakis.htm

http://www.adolphus.nl/sadhus/

Note: Let's not forget the subject of this thread is nudism, not religion. Nudism no matter what you think (for or against) is really another freedom, if you are lucky enough to live in a country that allows you to choose.

Lionel

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Removed the image link. Please refrain from posting nude pictures or photographs. [Rishonly, Mod.]

Jhumjhum  +  223100 Sat, 06 May 06 06:27 PM
I could not see 4-5 millions sadhus and it seems that this place is probably Kumva Mela in Ilahabad which helds once in twelve years.
For your information there are very few naga sadhus in India .Normally they live in the interior of Himalayas where they are not very easily found.They come out occationally in these type of special religious festival like Kumva Mela or Sagar Mela.
In hindu religion Sadhu means a person who not only  leaves his own home but also sacrifices all worldly desires including shame ,hatred and fear.They do not even speak about their previous life and before taking oath they do their own obsequies.But most of the sadhu/sanyasi wear red or safforn or white coloured dress which are considered as a symbol of sacrifice because without dress they could look odd , but only Naga sadhus do it as they do not live in localities and this is  the rule of their clan
Might be some fotoghapher took this foto in Mela(which often happen, specially foreigners are always interested about Hindu religion and sadhus) and published it in front of you.
Your oxidental culture is more meterialistic than oriental spiritual culture ,so you thought that it is similar to nudity which is far away from nudity and sexuality and you  insulted these pias persons.It's really very unfortunate

Lionel In Paris  +  223399 Sun, 07 May 06 10:06 PM

Hi Jhumjhum

I'm very sorry if I thought that if these men take their clothes off they are nude.?????? As to sexuallity, you brought that into the post, not I. As to the rest................

Kumbha (Kumbha means pot) Mela is a sacred Hindu pilgrimage that takes place at the following four locations of India

·        Prayag (near the city of Allahabad, in the state of Uttar Pradesh) at the confluence of three rivers Ganga (Ganges), Yamuna and Saraswati

·        Haridwar (in the state of Uttar Pradesh) where the river Ganga enters the plains from Himalayas

·        Ujjain (in Madhya Pradesh), on the banks of Ksipra river, and

·        Nasik (in Maharashtra) on the banks of Godavari river.

The pilgrimage occurs four times every twelve years, once at each of the four locations. Each twelve-year cycle includes the Maha (great) Kumbha Mela at Prayag, attended by millions of people, making it the largest pilgrimage gathering around the world.

The observance of Kumbha Mela is based upon the following story : thousands of years ago, perhaps in the Vedic period, gods and demons made a temporary agreement to work together in obtaining amrita (the nectar of immortality) from the Milky Ocean, and to share this equally. However, when the Kumbha (pot) containing the amrita appeared, the demons ran away with the pot and were chased by the gods. For twelve days and twelve nights (equivalent to twelve human years) the gods and demons fought in the sky for the possession of this pot of amrita. It is said that during the battle, drops of amrita fell on to four places : Prayag, Haridwar, Ujjain and Nasik. Thus, Kumbha mela is observed at these four locations where the nectar fell.

. [Adopted from Bansi Pandit : The Hindu Mind]

In other words once every three years!

 

http://www.hindunet.org/festivals/kumbha_mela/

 

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Sadhus in Indian society

·                    Sadhus are often sanyasi, or renunciates, who have left behind all material and sexual attachments and live in caves, forests and temples all over India. The word comes from the Sanskrit "to practice", referring to the practice of meditation. See sadhana.

A sadhu is usually referred to as baba by common people. The word 'baba' means father, or uncle, in most Indian languages. Sometimes the respectful suffix 'ji' may also be added after baba, to give greater respect to the renunciant.

There are 4 or 5 million sadhus in India today and they are still widely respected, revered and even feared, especially for their curses. It is also thought that the austere practices of the sadhus helps to burn off their karma and that of the community at large. Thus seen as benefitting society, many people help support sadhus with donations. However, reverence of sadhus is by no means universal in India. Historically and contemporarily, sadhus have often been seen with a certain degree of suspicion, particularly amongst the urban populations of India. Today, especially in popular pilgrimage cities, posing as a 'sadhu' can be a means of acquiring income for beggars who could hardly be considered 'devout

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadhu

 

 

Lionel

 

 

Jhumjhum  +  223547 Mon, 08 May 06 01:04 PM
Lionel in Paris,I think you have enough knowledge about sahus and sanyasies of India but what I wanted to say ,that is naga sanyasies are very few in numbers, even not in thousands now and normally they are not found in every where.Another thing is,all over the world we find small babies without dress .Do you think they are the examples of nudisn?In medicines we often take alcohol but at the time of taking do you say that you are  taking alcohol? .India is a secular country,there are so many religions and everyone has his/her rights to follow their own and mostly every one has respect to other religions.We have a proverb in my mother tongue that if you try to spit on the sky it only comes down on your face.
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