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Dew 2007  #500142  Sun, 13 Apr 08 01:45 PM
CB, speaking about the press freedom: in any society the news given to the public is selective, and we shouldn't quarrel about the media being better or worse nowadays.
The best idea of the situation can be taken (and should be taken) from various sourses. I can watch western media as well and I don't see much difference in covering the events in different countries. On the other hand when it comes to the news of the native country the information is given in a limited way in all the countries. And the approaches are somewhat different. Every country has its sceleton in the cupboard.
Still I am against any actions supporting the Olymopic boycott.
(But If it makes you happier I'll boycott it: I won't go to China (I was not going to either) but I'll watch the Olympics on TV, because I am a sports fan)
  
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BW2/3  #500153  Sun, 13 Apr 08 02:53 PM
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No, I think you've misunderstoodly completely. I was asking you that you heard any anthlete said they did not want to particpate the Olympic.  What you had written was in the first post about human rights or nonexistence freedom of press that made you boycott the Olympic. I also asked you few questions that gave you hint that you did not have sufficient grounds to back up what you said about boycotting.

I also aware that several presidents that do not particpate the ceremony but, I think, not because of human rights or freedom of press issue.  Honestly, as far as I read newspaper that I never heard the free world said China policies were despicable. That is a very harsh word if you were thinking the world was such as a nice place.

If you keep resisitng that China is a dictatorship, there is nothing to agrue about that because what I think is different from you. If you look at the whole picture  of China, one does not think that Chinese goverment is a dictatorship. Of course, there is something autochratic in some way , I mean, even President Bush does that too for national security issues.  

  
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simplyblessedwithlove  #500226  Sun, 13 Apr 08 06:37 PM
I don't know where you come from, but from where I live we called it freedom of speech and the right to protest. Tibetan monks protested in Tibet and what happened to them? Or even further back, Burmese monks protested and what happened to them? Now you can tell the difference between dictatorship and freedom of speech, right? By the way, words are not meant to be defined by theirs actual meanings only. You have to imply them into a context to get the whole meaning out of it. Hmm 
  
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simplyblessedwithlove  #500228  Sun, 13 Apr 08 06:41 PM
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I think we should ask our Chinese friends about the Chinese press. I think your information is about 10 years old...
Respect to everyone.

 

Some links I posted at another forum to show one Chinese person in China the two sides of this protest story and he/she couldn't see all of them. It seems like he/she could see the video clips made by Chinese students who study abroad that Western media are against them, yet the ones about Chinese government has announced to the world about Dalai Lama about this protest are blocked. 

  
simplyblessedwithlove  #500230  Sun, 13 Apr 08 06:48 PM

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No, I think you've misunderstoodly completely. I was asking you that you heard any anthlete said they did not want to particpate the Olympic. 

 

May I answer this question? Yes, I have.

German fencer Imke Duplitzer has said she will not take part in the ceremony if she qualifies. Cyclist Thor Hushovd of Norway told his country's Faderlandsvennen newspaper that he, too, could join such a protest.

http://images.salon.com/wires/ap/world/2008/04/08/D8VTTRN81_olympics_athletes__dilemma/index.html
  
BW2/3  #500311  Sun, 13 Apr 08 11:17 PM

Check out  articles below:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/world/13china.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

Eberhard Sandschneider, a China expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin, said that the protests around the Games had created an uncomfortable moral dilemma for Western democracies even as Chinese leaders dug in their heels.

“The country is economically so attractive and by now so powerful that any measures we take will be met with painful countermeasures,” he said. “The Olympics are important to the Chinese, but not as important as Tibet. Sovereignty and stability will always outweigh public relations.”

On the contrary, Chinese are blaming foreigners for the tensions. Mr. Sarkozy’s decision to leave the door open to a partial boycott of the Games prompted a populist appeal in China to boycott French goods, circulated on the Internet. Chinese users also circulated a photograph of a protester, in a cap with Tibetan colors, trying to grab the torch from a Chinese woman in a wheelchair, who was praised in Beijing for protecting the flame.

China’s fierce pride also covers a deeper defensiveness, a sense that China’s rise has made it the target for the hypocritical anger of a wounded West, especially the United States and Europe, that resents such a successful new rival for global trade and influence.

The reaction suggests that the governing Communist Party will probably respond if protests and boycott threats continue to escalate. “If any country takes actions that are seen as harming the dignity of the Chinese people, it will have to act,” predicted Shi Yinhong, professor of international relations at People’s University in Beijing.

Mr. Shi said any boycott would not influence China’s overall foreign policy. But he predicted Beijing may take a harder line in trade talks with European partners, especially France. “People are very unhappy with the French president,” he added.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/opinion/13bissinger.html?ref=opinion

  
simplyblessedwithlove  #500345  Mon, 14 Apr 08 12:55 AM

 This link you provided is interesting,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/opinion/13forney.html?ref=opinion

 It has some interesting points that I'd like to point out and be informed if the information is accurate.

 

Educated young Chinese, far from being embarrassed or upset by their government’s human-rights record, rank among the most patriotic, establishment-supporting people you’ll meet.

It’s a rare person in China who considers the desires of the Tibetans themselves. “Young Chinese have no sympathy for Tibet,” a Beijing human-rights lawyer named Teng Biao told me. Mr. Teng — a Han Chinese who has offered to defend Tibetan monks caught up in police dragnets — feels very alone these days. Most people in their 20s, he says, “believe the Dalai Lama is trying to split China.”

Textbooks dwell on China’s humiliations at the hands of foreign powers in the 19th century as if they took place yesterday, yet skim over the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s and ’70s as if it were ancient history. Students learn the neat calculation that Chairman Mao’s tyranny was “30 percent wrong,” then the subject is declared closed. The uprising in Tibet in the late 1950s, and the invasion that quashed it, are discussed just long enough to lay blame on the “Dalai clique,” a pejorative reference to the circle of advisers around Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.

Barring major changes in China’s education system or economy, Westerners are not going to find allies among the vast majority of Chinese on key issues like Tibet, Darfur and the environment for some time. If the debate over Tibet turns this summer’s contests in Beijing into the Human Rights Games, as seems inevitable, Western ticket-holders expecting to find Chinese angry at their government will instead find Chinese angry at them.
  
Cool Breeze  #500468  Mon, 14 Apr 08 08:37 AM
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Of course, there is something autochratic in some way , I mean, even President Bush does that too for national security issues.  

 

I can't see why President Bush should be involved here! As a result of his illegal war, tens of thousands of innocent people have died in Iraq but the US constitution makes it impossible for him to torture and kill prisoners to the extent that happens in China. China is the leading executor of people whose only "crime" is an opinion the rulers of China don't like. In my opinion people should not boycott the Olympics because of that, but the world should let the Chinese torturers know that executions are not approved of. This what Olympic Watch writes about it:

- Media freedom is nowhere in sight. Independent monitors, such as Reporters Without Borders (RSF) and Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), register at least 30 Chinese journalists and 50 bloggers and internet activists in jail. Chinese domestic media face a policy of systematic censorship and the reporting of international media into China is blocked.
- China continues to execute several times more people than the rest of the world combined. According to Amnesty International estimates, this is 8,000-10,000 people each year.
- Torture continues to be widespread, according to the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture.
- As Human Rights Watch recently reported again, human rights violations are taking place in direct relation to the Olympic Games themselves: hundreds of thousands of Beijing residents have been evicted without proper compensation. A leader of their peaceful protests, Ye Guozhu, has been imprisoned for four years and reportedly tortured.

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Cool Breeze  #500471  Mon, 14 Apr 08 08:49 AM
Dew 2007
On the other hand when it comes to the news of the native country the information is given in a limited way in all the countries. And the approaches are somewhat different. Every country has its sceleton in the cupboard.
 

Would you mind telling me what our skeleton is?  Reporters Without Borders see differences in the freedom of the press in different countries and I agree with them. The rulers of a country, prime minister, king, president  -  whoever  -  should have absolutely no power in deciding what is printed in the newspapers, nor should they have a right to censor anything or punish anyone if they dislike something that has been published. Courts of law are for that. That yields the best results and the freest press.

There are countries where the government owns newspapers and TV stations! Big Smile There are countries where journalists are jailed, tortured and even killed if they write something the ruling elite doesn't like.

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