Olympic boycott?

Cool Breeze

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cb 

 

Of course, there is something autochratic in some way , I mean, even President Bush does that too for national security issues.  

 

I can't see why President Bush should be involved here! As a result of his illegal war, tens of thousands of innocent people have died in Iraq but the US constitution makes it impossible for him to torture and kill prisoners to the extent that happens in China. China is the leading executor of people whose only "crime" is an opinion the rulers of China don't like. In my opinion people should not boycott the Olympics because of that, but the world should let the Chinese torturers know that executions are not approved of. This what Olympic Watch writes about it:

-CB
 

Don't tell me you've never read anything that Bush administration tourture stories. If not, I'd be very disappointed at you. What I brought up President Bush here is because his adminstration did torture on bad people for national security issue. Referring what you have written, have you ever thought about Chinese national security issues and STABILITY? 

Imagine if  the goverment let these jounralists and whoever they critize and does not censure them, what the country will have become? My instance reaction is 'collapse'. In my opinion, China has to take one step at a time to become more transparancy goverment. 

I bet if you compare the percentage of Chinese prisoners of Chinese population to your country, Chinese rate is lower than your country.

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Imagine if  the goverment let these jounralists and whoever they critize and does not censure them, what the country will have become? My instance reaction is 'collapse'. In my opinion, China has to take one step at a time to become more transparancy goverment. 

I bet if you compare the percentage of Chinese prisoners of Chinese population to your country, Chinese rate is lower than your country.

 I know many states (thank God) which do not censure media and nevertheless manage not to "collapse". In my country the Constitution expressly prohibits censure of media and still the state survives I presume that you were taught that censure is necessary

If there were hundred journalists imprisoned, it doesn't matter if the country has two hundred or billion citizens. There are still hundred lives which are threatened by the state power. Imagine you were one of them. Would you mind if you were in a big country or a small one? You would still be in jail!!! I have a proposal: go and visit a prison that is nearby and after staying there for an hour, think about the importance of "rate of imprisoned people".

Cool Breeze

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Don't tell me you've never read anything that Bush administration tourture stories. If not, I'd be very disappointed at you. What I brought up President Bush here is because his adminstration did torture on bad people for national security issue. Referring what you have written, have you ever thought about Chinese national security issues and STABILITY? 

Imagine if  the goverment let these jounralists and whoever they critize and does not censure them, what the country will have become? My instance reaction is 'collapse'. In my opinion, China has to take one step at a time to become more transparancy goverment. 

I bet if you compare the percentage of Chinese prisoners of Chinese population to your country, Chinese rate is lower than your country.

  

 

It is true that the Bush administration is guilty of murder and torture but I still fail to see the connection. How does that justify killing innocent people in China? I agree that killing is essential for the Chinese elite to maintain power, but I disagree with you on one point: such a country does not deserve to exist. I also want the Olympics to take place because a complete boycott is inconceivable, and a partial boycott would only benefit the Chinese regime: Chinese athletes would win more medals. Moreover, the correspondents coming to the Olympics can tell the world more about the atrocities taking place in China.

You can read an Amnesty International report about the death penalty in China here.

There are no reliable statistics about the number of prisoners in China. In other words you can bet anything you want to about such figures. There are official and unofficial statistics regarding executing innocent people in China. It's been a long time since anyone was executed in Finland; that happened in the 1940s when martial law was in force during the Second World War.

CB

Ok, you don't see the connection, let me englight you. You have said that Chinese goverment torture people, so does Bush adminsitration. Why did they do that?  For national security issue. I really don't catch what you said that Chinese goverment killed innocent people. What kind the innocent people are you talking about? The people are againt the goverment?

You described the eliste very bad. They are not bad people.

LET ME ASK YOU IF THE PEOPLE DONT AGAINST THE GOVERMENT, DO YOU THINK THE GOVERMENT WILL KILL THEM?  What the goverment does is to make harsh punishmenst to those people who are againt them, if they don't do that, there are more people will go againt the goverment. The goverment probably will collapse.  

I don't think China is ready for democracy. But I think eventually they will.

Why death peanlty bother you? If death peanlty is good reason to help the Chinese govement lower crime rate and other society porblems,  what is your problem?   

Let's go back to the boycott . I really don't care other coutries boycott the Olympics, as long as the USA does't do that. I'm pretty sure President Bush will attend the Olympic.

I hope the French pesident, Nicholas Sarzokaly, doesn't attend the Olympic because he is the one who introduced the idea to boycott the Olympic.  

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Where I live, the constitution guarantees that freedom of press. Of course, if something deals with national issue, you cannot print, probably you need a court order.

This is not a freedom of the press.

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You miss the point. We are talking about Chinese goverment. I cannot imagine if  the goverment let journalists print whatever they want, I imagine there will be bad things happened.

Such as????  

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No, I hate censure. What I think in this case is that in China it is necessary.

 Funny how sites or press that talk about Chinese government are authorized, yet porno sites, popup ads, etc. are not. Chinese government indeed thinks people will be educated with those sites instead of stuff that criticize the governmental system.

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I'm afraid the goverment will be in trouble and the people will suffer if they don't censure. I guess some people are against the goverment propably is a good thing.

You're being brainwashed to think this way. 

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You know, I don't mind jouralist are againt the goverment. For better or worse, if there is no conflict then there is no progress.

 I really hope one day that the goverment will give people those basic rights. 

 

You said this, but you state your argument otherwise. What a conflict! 

1) Why not?  Do yo think the press can print everything even though something affects the national security issues? You are not that naive, are you?

2)The point was we were talking the Chinese goverment.  If you need to undestand more, go back to what you Lawyee was written.

3)I really don't what you mean that Chinese goverment educate people with those sites. I think it is really stupid that you said that.

4)No. I wasn't. On the other hand,  I think you are being brainwashed feeding by those Western media.

5) I've said that Chinese goverment are not ready for the people to cherish those rights. The time is not right for the people. I support the goverment should punish the journalists who make riots.