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Manohonor  #50756  Sun, 17 Oct 04 06:51 AM
Is DATA pronounced /deita/ or /da: ta/?

Which pronunciation is more correct and modern?

  
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CalifJim  #50761  Sun, 17 Oct 04 07:51 AM
The first. /deita/ At least in the U.S. Smile [:)]
  
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Manohonor  #50794  Sun, 17 Oct 04 04:17 PM
What are you saying?

I heard US citizen say /da: ta/!

  
CalifJim  #50829  Sun, 17 Oct 04 08:52 PM
Some people haven't caught on yet!

In the data processing community (where I have worked more years than I care to admit!) we all say "day-ta", and have been saying it that way just about forever.

There are people outside this specialist community who say it differently, and I have heard TV anchors say it in different ways, but people who work with "day-ta" day in and day out say "day-ta".

(And we treat is as a singular: "The data is ready to load.")

Smile [:)]

P.S. But just recently I heard someone use dat -a (where "dat" rhymes with "sat") again and again!
  
Anonymous  #176362  Fri, 30 Dec 05 08:44 AM

A Psychology professor at UC Berkeley said that dah-ta (like "dad") is the singular, while day-ta (like "today") is the plural. In other words, you would say "these day-ta", but "this dah-ta."

I haven't heard this from any other source, and I've also heard another Psychology professor at UC Berkeley say "day-ta" for singular. When I've worked with people who process data on a regular basis (in Psychology research labs), we almost always use the plural form, so I haven't had much chance to see how someone would pronounce the singular form.

Honestly, this is some petty stuff that doesn't matter, though it's one of those things that makes you curious because you want to know what is "correct". I have the same feelings toward the who/whom controversy--it doesn't matter enough for me to know how to use it, but I still want to know which is "correct".

I think the only way to resolve this issue is to hit up the Oxford English Dictionary or a professor of English who really knows the nitty gritty.

  
My2sense  #176449  Fri, 30 Dec 05 01:05 PM
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A Psychology professor at UC Berkeley said that dah-ta (like "dad") is the singular, while day-ta (like "today") is the plural. In other words, you would say "these day-ta", but "this dah-ta."

I haven't heard this from any other source, and I've also heard another Psychology professor at UC Berkeley say "day-ta" for singular. When I've worked with people who process data on a regular basis (in Psychology research labs), we almost always use the plural form, so I haven't had much chance to see how someone would pronounce the singular form.

Honestly, this is some petty stuff that doesn't matter, though it's one of those things that makes you curious because you want to know what is "correct". I have the same feelings toward the who/whom controversy--it doesn't matter enough for me to know how to use it, but I still want to know which is "correct".

I think the only way to resolve this issue is to hit up the Oxford English Dictionary or a professor of English who really knows the nitty gritty.

Honestly, this is some petty stuff that doesn't matter, though it's one of those things that makes you curious because you want to know what is "correct". I have the same feelings toward the who/whom controversy--it doesn't matter enough for me to know how to use it, but I still want to know which is "correct".

So true!  Suffice to say it can be pronounced either way.

From askoxford: Strictly speaking, data is the plural of datum, and should be used with a plural verb (like facts). However, there has been a growing tendency to use it as an equivalent to the uncountable noun information, followed by a singular verb. This is now regarded as generally acceptable in American use, and in the context of information technology. The traditional usage is still preferable, at least in Britain, but it may soon become a lost cause.

  
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Sam C  #176515  Fri, 30 Dec 05 03:11 PM
 Manohonor wrote:
Is DATA pronounced /deita/ or /da: ta/?

for what it's worth, i pronounce it the first way, although it's unremarkable to hear either pronunciation here (scotland), and members of my close family do pronounce it the second way.

as to it being a minimal pair - one plural, the other singular - it's not in my english.
  
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Philip  #176581  Fri, 30 Dec 05 06:01 PM
 Anonymous wrote:

 I have the same feelings toward the who/whom controversy--it doesn't matter enough for me to know how to use it, but I still want to know which is "correct".

  There are some rather solid "rules" governing their usage.  They may be unclear to some people, but I wouldn't say at all that they are controversial.
  
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Philip  #176585  Fri, 30 Dec 05 06:03 PM

 CalifJim wrote:

(And we treat is as a singular: "The data is ready to load.")

I find this unfortunate, but I can live with it, especially since the singular 'datum' is almost never used.

On the other hand, I don't appreciate 'media' being treated as a singular, as there are too many media that give us news.

  
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