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J Lewis

#306728 Sat, 23 Dec 06 07:03 PM

Yes, I'm British and of course I accept you as a friend. You should not be amazed if different people in the same country think in different ways. There are differences of opinion in all countries. If you look at international websites you will find all kinds of ideas in the world and you will find that not everyone is deceived by government propaganda.

J Lewis

Joined on Tue, Sep 5 2006

Italy

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Teardrop

#306886 Sun, 24 Dec 06 12:34 PM

J Lewis wrote:
not everyone is deceived by government propaganda.

You are right, not everyone is deceived by government propaganda, open-minded and those who look beyond their nose don't.

Best Wishes

Teardrop

Joined on Mon, Nov 20 2006

Palestine

Member (90)

God Help Me!

Anonymous

#306969 Sun, 24 Dec 06 05:21 PM

I just said what I think,I don't care if you'll call it palestine or a jew will call it eretz israel,and i don't think mr.lewis think that the jewish should return to europe.so Americans should return to their countries,everyone should return to his original place,no?

as i said,I don't care about you,all i want to say that you Jewish and Palestinian are head ache to the world,you think that your problem is the most important and unique problem,but infact you are just head ache for the world Stick out tongue [:P]

that's what i heard and now i hear another point of view

goodby from the Crazyserb Stick out tongue [:P] Wink [;)]

Anonymous

#306970 Sun, 24 Dec 06 05:23 PM

Teardrop wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The last indipendent country in "Palestine" or "eretz yisrael" was the state of Judeah which was destroyed by the Romans.

*"Israel" became to a country in the year of 1312B.C.E,2000 years before the Islam

*The Jewish poeple had consecutive presence for 3300 years in "Palestine" or "eretz yisrael" call it as you want

I think that L Jewis answered you. Thanks L Jewis.

Anonymous wrote:

*Arab leaders encouraged the Arabs refugees go out from "Palestine" as a promise to make Palestine "clean of jews",68% precent of them didn't see a one Israeli soldier.

My grandfather was kicked out from his home when he was 17. Do you know why he left his home? Israeli soldiers raped many females in a nearby village, killed hundreds before the eyes of their relatives, and destroyed most of the houses. My grandmother's father was shot before her eyes and the soldiers forced her to see. It is true that some left their lands before seeing "one soldier", but they did so to rescue their honor and their life. Did you know about Deer Yassen massacre? I'm not sure.

Anonymous wrote:

*jewish refugees forced to escaped from Arab countries because of violence and chasing by the Arab population

Forgive me to tell you that this isn't true. Jewish were subjects to violence in your countries, in Europe. Where were the Jewish burnt? Where did the Holocaust happen? It's not arabs who tortured the Jewish, but you.

However, we, the Palestinians, fight the Israelis, not the Jewish. We have nothing against the Jewish as a Jewish, we are against those who stole our land. We respect all religions, and what proves that is that the Christians live with the Muslims in Palestine in peace. They have their churches and we have our mosques. We study in the same universities and schools. By the way, these days the Christian Youth in my university has an exhibition under the name "The Christian Book". There are many Christian trees in the university, and we say nothing about that. On the contrary, we visit their exhibition and enjoy looking to the beautiful trees.

Anonymous wrote:

*Arabs countries has interest not to help the palestinian refugees

That's because the governments' interests is with Israel and the Us, but that's not from love. Another thing, you must distinguish between the governments and the nation.

Anonymous wrote:

*If the Arabs would accept that programm of 1948,the land would be divded between Jordan,Syria,Egypt and Lebanon.

What do you mean by that?

what about constantin in 1934 in algeria? what about 1929? what was it? Tongue Tied [:S]

come on,you hate the christian,that's why they escaped from beth lehem Big Smile [:D]

Anonymous

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Mythical Lady

#306982 Sun, 24 Dec 06 06:51 PM

J Lewis wrote:
You can't use these historical arguments. 3000 years ago there were no Anglo-Saxons in Britain. Do we all have to go back to Germany?
If we believe what we read in the Old Testament, it seems that the Jewish people established their state by slaughtering the local population. If you accept this justification it means that anyone has a right to what they can get by force. The other arguments don't count.
It's true that the surrounding Arab states are not friends of the Palestinian people, but that does not justify Israel's behaviour. If you think it was wrong for the Palestinians to leave Israel, why don't you invite them back in, giving them full citizenship?

Hi everyone,

Hi Mr.Lewis, I partly agree with this statement in bold. I think the surrounding Arab people are real friends of the Palestinian people. That's the common sense. We love them, we try to support them financially and we always pray for them. But then what?? The question lies in the passive reaction taken by Arab governors (so it's not between people) plus the arrogant reaction taken by Isreal and western countries that support them.

And Hisotically, I want to add something. As far as I read about history, many Semitic and non-semitic tribes have lived in Palestine before the coming of the Jewish and during the rule of Jewishs (which lasted less than 500 years) and even before the Jewishs were banished from this land, they continue to live . Most become Muslims and some Christians and they are considered as the original people of Palestinian.

And after nearly 2000 years, Jewishs reconsidered coming back. And if we accept what the Isrealis do as a rule, can't the Arab proclaim their right to take over Spain simply because once they'd ruled it for nealy 700 years (notice it's longer than the period the Jewishs spent in Palestine!) morever it's just passed less than 700 years since the Arab completely got out of Spain (again it's definitely less than 2000 years!)

My Regards,

P.S most Arab people love the present prime minister of Palestine Haniah. I pray that he's not killed by Isreal for they usually want to keep shut anyone who speak out with courage and longing desire for life of freedom and diginty. My deepest regards and love for all the steadfast, courageous Palestinine people.

Mythical Lady

Joined on Wed, May 3 2006

Kingdom of Humanity

Regular Member (215)

What lies behind us and what lies before us are TINY matters compared to what lies WITHIN us

Regards

Teardrop

#308190 Thu, 28 Dec 06 05:25 PM

Rose [F] Hello Crazyserb,

Anonymous wrote:

I just said what I think,I don't care if you'll call it palestine or a jew will call it eretz israel,and i don't think mr.lewis think that the jewish should return to europe.so Americans should return to their countries,everyone should return to his original place,no?

Who told you that that is the solution? All peolpe are welcomed in Palestine. Anyone can live in Palestine but can't destroy the inhabitants homes killing their children and forcing them out from their lands. I think that you will welcome me in your country and I can live their too, but you will not let me arrest your brother and shoot your father, am I wrong? Thinking [*-)]

Anonymous wrote:

you Jewish and Palestinian are head ache to the world

Don't think that we are happy in that situation or we want it to stay as bad as it is. We love life. We love peace.

I also don't think that you bother about the Israeli-Palestinian problem (it not between Palestinians and Jewish, but betweem Palestinians and Israelis). You live a peaceful life between your family amnd whom you love not caring about the millions who live in camps or even about the 10000 are in the prisons. From where do the headache came to you I don't know.

Have a nice day Paradise [ip]

Teardrop

Whom

Teardrop

#308228 Thu, 28 Dec 06 08:51 PM

Anonymous wrote:
what about constantin in 1934 in algeria? what about 1929? what was it?

Can you be more specific? I don't know what happened in these years.

Anonymous wrote:
come on,you hate the christian,that's why they escaped from beth lehem

First of all, you are not in in our hearts to be sure that we hate christians. If you do hate muslims, don't think that muslims hate you.

Secondly, why do muslims hate the christain? Muslims believe in Jesus -peace been upon him- and that is one from the basic believes in Islam. In addition, the Virgin Mary - peace been upon her- is the only women whose name is mentioned in the holy Quran, and a sura is named after her.

Thirdly, read this to know the essence of Islam and its respect to other religions:

"A famous story tells of Umar arriving in Jerusalem walking beside his camel upon which his servant was sitting. `Umar was given the key to the city by the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, and was invited to pray at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Historically, The reason behind this welcoming reception from Sophronius was that -according to the biblical prophecies known to the Christian church in Jerusalem at that time- he learned of a time when a poor -but just and powerful- man will come riding a donkey (because of his extremely austere lifestyle) along with his right hand after a prolonged battle in Jerusalem (this description perfectly matched the image of `Umar at the time of his arrival) and will actually prove to be a protector and an ally to the Christians of Jerusalem. In agreement with these prophecies, Umar -out of respect to the Christians of Jerusalem- chose to pray some distance from the Church, so as not to endanger its status as a Christian temple." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_ibn_al-Khattab.

Finally, you are not in Bethlehem to be so sure that christians leave it from the bad treating from the Palestinians. Maybe you didn't know that our muslim president Mahmoud Abbas delayed his trip to join the Palestinian christians their christmas and he was there in the pray that night. You may also don't know the story of the Nativity Church Seige in Bethlehem in 2002 where 230 Palestinians (Muslims and christians) were surrounded by the Israeli forces for about 38 days. These are the Palestinians. Star [star]

Thank God that the christians in Palestine are Palestinians who love their land and its dwelleres (muslims side by side with christians).

Teardrop

#308229 Thu, 28 Dec 06 08:57 PM

Mythical Lady wrote:

Hi everyone,

Hi Mr.Lewis, I partly agree with this statement in bold. I think the surrounding Arab people are real friends of the Palestinian people. That's the common sense. We love them, we try to support them financially and we always pray for them. But then what?? The question lies in the passive reaction taken by Arab governors (so it's not between people) plus the arrogant reaction taken by Isreal and western countries that support them.

. . . .

P.S most Arab people love the present prime minister of Palestine Haniah. I pray that he's not killed by Isreal for they usually want to keep shut anyone who speak out with courage and longing desire for life of freedom and diginty. My deepest regards and love for all the steadfast, courageous Palestinine people.

Hi Mythical Lady,

Thaks for your warm passion towards the Palestinian. You are right in distinguishing between the arab people and the governors. Besides, your historically background is rich.

Take Care Wink [;)]