which ones are articles modifying?

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Believer  #489015  Fri, 14 Mar 08 11:43 PM

Hi,

I happen to come across a brochure from Willlingdon Chuch in Canada and want to ask you some questions on the writings I found there. By the way, after reading the brochre, I found the church to be quite active with its various ministries and seems to be doing great things for the Lord.

We are excited to announce that the new mother's room is now available for moms to use. It is located next door to the Nursery across from the men's washroom on the main floor.

For more information please go to the Kid's information Centre located on the lower level.

the new mother's room -- What does 'the' modify?

the men's washroom -- I think, here, 'the' modifies the washroom like 'the children's center' where 'the' seems to modify the center.

the Kid's informaiton Centre -- I think, here, like the example just above this one, 'the' seems to modify the Centre.

Do you have any tips as to how to get a handle on this kind of matters?

Thank you. 

 

 

  
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Avangi  #489020  Sat, 15 Mar 08 12:14 AM

I was taught that the article modifies the noun, but at EF I often see "compound nouns."  If "new mother's room" is a compound noun, then that's what "the" modifies.

I suspect that "Kids Information Center" would be a compound noun and "Men's Washroom" would not.  To me, the difference is that with the compound nouns the words must be taken together to make sense.  "Washroom" still has the same meaning without the "Men's."   I'm sure there's a standard definition somewhere of a compound noun.  I don't think the distinction is always clear.

 

  
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CalifJim  #489052  Sat, 15 Mar 08 01:33 AM
the new mother's room = the room for new mothers OR the new room for mothers.  Since it's 'now available', it must have been newly constructed, so I'd guess 'the new room for mothers'.

(It should be mothers' room.) 

the men's washroom = the washroom for men

the Kid's Information Centre = the centre for information about kids OR the centre for information for kids.

(It should be Kids' Information Centre.) 

I have no tips.  It's more or less a matter of guessing by context.

CJ 

 

 

  
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Avangi  #489100  Sat, 15 Mar 08 03:22 AM

Hi CJ,

I'm missing something.  He's asking what "the" modifies. What's the significance of the underlined words in your answer?

Thanks

Best wishes,  - A.

Edit.  P.S.  I thought the "new mother's room" was for nursing mothers.

  
CalifJim  #489145  Sat, 15 Mar 08 07:54 AM
Yes.  My answer is pretty oblique.  I don't think the function of determiners is to modify at all.

Underlined words show the correct use of apostrophes.

<<I thought the "new mother's room" was for nursing mothers.>>

I don't think so.  The room is new, not the mothers. 

"We are excited to announce that the new mother's room is now available for moms to use. It is located ..."

I think the room has just been finished.  Hence the excitement.  It has just become available.  So it's new.

CJ 

  
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