HMFindlay  +  211604 Sat, 01 Apr 06 11:18 AM Why is the Commonwealth Games pronounced OPEN and then CLOSED? The shop is OPEN and then CLOSED? Why not we use OPENED? Can someone explain to me HMFindlay Joined on Mon, Dec 19 2005 KL Full Member 108 - Get what you can and keep what you have; that's the way to get rich -

	Mister Micawber  +  211670 Sat, 01 Apr 06 03:31 PM We use open and closed as the adjectives.  No reason that I know of, beyond independent historical development of the use of the two words. Mister Micawber Joined on Wed, Aug 4 2004 Yokohama Veteran Member 30,805 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master-- that's all.'

	CalifJim  +  211773 Sat, 01 Apr 06 07:54 PM Strange, isn't it?  We drop the ed on opened when we use it as an adjective, but we keep the ed on closed in the same situation. I opened the door.  It is now open. I closed the door.  It is now closed. CJ CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,415 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche

	HMFindlay  +  211947 Sun, 02 Apr 06 04:11 PM So am I still incorrect to say: The can will be opened up soon during dinner and The can has been opened up when we had lunch last night. HMFindlay

	CalifJim  +  212053 Mon, 03 Apr 06 02:15 AM You are still incorrect to say that, yes, but not because of opened, which is correct because here it is a verb. (up is not required, by the way.) It is highly unusual to talk about the opening of a can during dinner. Aside from that, soon during dinner is a bit unusual. And then has been (a perfect tense) is not used with a when clause specifying a definite time. You need: The can will be opened (up) during dinner. The can was opened (up) when we had lunch last night. CJ CalifJim Verbs, Tenses, Clauses

	pieanne  +  212122 Mon, 03 Apr 06 10:24 AM May I give my opinion, since Calif isn't online? "The can was open" is correct because it is an adjective here; it means its lid was no longer on. pieanne Joined on Thu, Jan 20 2005 South of France ...But I'm Belgian! Veteran Member 7,517 I'm glad to help, but I'm not a native! And please excuse my typos...

	HMFindlay  +  212124 Mon, 03 Apr 06 10:30 AM Sure you can. So the can was open and it was opened up by me or open up by me? I think it was open and was opened up by me but I don't know I;m dyingly confuzzled HMFindlay

	pieanne  +  212129 Mon, 03 Apr 06 11:25 AM "Open" is the adjective. "Opened" is either the simple past or the past participle of the verb "to open", describing the action of, ... opening something. If you use the adjective form, then there shouldn't be an agent compl. (by X): "the door is open". If you use the passive voice of "to open", then it is likely there will be an agent complement: "the door was opened by a locksmith", and you're talking about the action of opening, and not about the state of being open. pieanne Verbs, Simple Past