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Teo  +  351964 Tue, 17 Apr 07 11:48 AM

1. The department store will open on Jan. 1 next year.

2. The department store will be opened on Jan. 1 next year.

Which of the above sentences is acceptable?
Teo
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Yoong Liat  +  351965 Tue, 17 Apr 07 11:49 AM
 Teo wrote:

1. The department store will open on Jan. 1 next year.

2. The department store will be opened on Jan. 1 next year.

Which of the above sentences is acceptable?


#2 is correct.
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Teo  +  352416 Wed, 18 Apr 07 10:57 AM

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/student/viewtopic.php?t=24170

Both the active and the passive form is commonly used in this sentence.
Teo
Yoong Liat  +  352518 Wed, 18 Apr 07 03:23 PM

Hi Teo

1. The department store will open on Jan. 1 next year.

2. The department store will be opened on Jan. 1 next year.

When I replied that #2 is correct, somehow I read the 1st sentence as "The store will be open on Jan 1 next year. This sentence I've encountered before and I've confirmed with a native speaker who said the it should "The stall will be opened on Jan 1 next year" (sentence 2). This again explains why I chose #2.

While I appreciate that other members will have benefited from the website you provided, I think you shouldn't be testing members' knowledge, as I said before in an earlier post, which you denied.

Instead, you should be asking questions which you do not know. And if a member, including me, answers wrongly, another member will point out the error.
Yoong Liat
Teo  +  352677 Thu, 19 Apr 07 12:59 AM

Your reply seemed incorrect but no one pointed out your error. I have never meant to offend or embarrass anybody. I am not interested at all in testing anybody's English proficiency, either. If you still insist that I have always been testing your knowledge, please don't bother to reply to my posts from now on. 
Teo
Clive  +  352696 Thu, 19 Apr 07 02:37 AM

Hi,

Please consider these comments.

1. The department store will open on Jan. 1 next year. This could simply mean that you can shop there on the New Year holiday.

2. The department store will be opened on Jan. 1 next year. This sounds like it's a new store that will commence business on Jan. 1.

You might also consider The department store will be open on Jan. 1, which could mean either #1 or #2.

Best wishes, Clive

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Yoong Liat  +  352763 Thu, 19 Apr 07 06:40 AM

Teo wrote: Your reply seemed incorrect but no one pointed out your error. I have never meant to offend or embarrass anybody. I am not interested at all in testing anybody's English proficiency, either. If you still insist that I have always been testing your knowledge, please don't bother to reply to my posts from now on. 

If you know both the sentences are correct, you should type out the two sentences and ask members for their comments. You waited for someone to comment on my 'error', and, as I've explained earlier, I misread the first sentence.  I told you that I've seen that sentence before and have asked a native speaker for the correct version.

When no one pointed out my so-called error, you came out with the website, to the surprise of many members, I believe. Of course, they've benefited from the information in the website. But why didn't you type out the two correct questions and ask members why both are correct and is there a difference in meaning between the two sentences? That would be better, wouldn't it?

Teo wrote: If you still insist that I have always been testing your knowledge, please don't bother to reply to my posts from now on. 

Yes, I can stop answering your queries, but you if persist in posting questions and providing correct answers when a member gives you the wrong answers, them you'll irritate the other member. If you insist that your way is correct, I cannot do anything. I can only advise you.

I think you should stop doing this. You've tested members' knowledge a couple of times before. If every member were like you and ask questions to test members' knowledge, then it becomes no longer a forum.

Other members ask questions such as:

I wish I am a millionaire.

I wish I were a millionaire.

Which is correct?

They ask what they don't know, not what they already know.

A forum is for posters to ask questions they don't know and to discuss and learn from one another, not a place to post questions, the answers to which he or she knows. If many other members do the same thing, it becomes irritating.

Regards
Yoong Liat
Teo  +  352810 Thu, 19 Apr 07 08:55 AM

 Yoong Liat wrote:
If you know both the sentences are correct, you should type out the two sentences and ask members for their comments. You waited for someone to comment on my 'error', and, as I've explained earlier, I misread the first sentence.  I told you that I've seen that sentence before and have asked a native speaker for the correct version.

I didn't know both sentences are correct.  If I had known it, I would not have posted my question.

Yoong Liat, please don't bother to reply to my posts any longer because you are impervious to all reason.

Teo
Yoong Liat  +  352817 Thu, 19 Apr 07 09:24 AM
 Teo wrote:

 Yoong Liat wrote:
If you know both the sentences are correct, you should type out the two sentences and ask members for their comments. You waited for someone to comment on my 'error', and, as I've explained earlier, I misread the first sentence.  I told you that I've seen that sentence before and have asked a native speaker for the correct version.

I didn't know both sentences are correct.  That's why I posted my question.

Yoong Liat, please don't bother to reply to my posts any longer. Thank you!


Teo, you always claim that you didn't know the answers to your questions. There are other occasions you asked questions and when the poster answered wrongly, you came out with the website providing the correct version. You didn't mention that you did not know the answers. I felt bad for the member who answered your question. Only now, are you telling me that you didn't know the sentences in question are correct.

I asked myself, "Why is Teo in the habit of asking a question when he knows what the answer should be? Why does he want to prove others wrong? He is putting them in a bad light?"

So, for goodness sake, I hope, in future, you won't post  'questions' when you already have the answers at hand. Why ask what you already know? It's a waste of your time and other members'.

You wrote: Yoong Liat, please don't bother to reply to my posts any longer.
What're you afraid of? If you ask genuine questions, then you shouldn't be afraid that I answer your questions. If I provide you with the wrong answers, another poster will correct me. This is the purpose of a forum. Members ask genuine questions and other members answer them and if the answers are wrong, then they will be told so and what the answers should be. In this way, members learn from one another.

Yoong Liat
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