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New2grammar  #502762  Sat, 19 Apr 08 09:31 PM

He better tell me where my car is or [else] he'll be beaten to death.

I'm trying to use "or else" but it seems like or else can always be replaced with or. What do you think?

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Doll  #502763  Sat, 19 Apr 08 09:35 PM

It can be replaced by "or" here. Actually, you don't replace it. You just omit "else". Smile It seems that it can be replaces almost in all contexts but I don't want to make a generalisation.

  
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New2grammar  #502765  Sat, 19 Apr 08 09:38 PM

Can you come up with a case where only "or else" is good?

 

 

  
Doll  #503476  Mon, 21 Apr 08 06:49 PM

For the time being, no.

  
Yoong Liat  #503480  Mon, 21 Apr 08 07:02 PM

He better tell me where my car is or [else] he'll be beaten to death.

He had better tell me where my car is or he'll be beaten to death. ( It''s correct to remove 'else', but it should be 'had better'.)

OR He'd better ... (especially in speech)

  
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RayH  #503483  Mon, 21 Apr 08 07:15 PM

New2grammar

He better tell me where my car is or [else] he'll be beaten to death.

I'm trying to use "or else" but it seems like or else can always be replaced with or. What do you think?


Actually, when you say "or else" in a context like this you omit the specific details of the threat. So "He better tell me where my car is, or else."
If you include the details of the threat then you are correct that "else" can (perhaps should) usually be omitted.
  
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New2grammar  #503486  Mon, 21 Apr 08 07:19 PM

Very interesting! Thanks RayH and everyone else.

  
Yoong Liat  #504218  Wed, 23 Apr 08 11:20 AM

RayH

New2grammar

He better tell me where my car is or [else] he'll be beaten to death.

I'm trying to use "or else" but it seems like or else can always be replaced with or. What do you think?


Actually, when you say "or else" in a context like this you omit the specific details of the threat. So "He better tell me where my car is, or else."
If you include the details of the threat then you are correct that "else" can (perhaps should) usually be omitted.

"He had better tell me where my car is, or else." [It should be 'had better, not just 'better'.  OR He'd better ... (especially in speech)]

"He had better tell me where my car is, or else..."  [(The sentence should end with three dots (ellipsis)]

  
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