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Miche  +  112866 Mon, 27 Jun 05 10:33 AM
Thank you both!
I've read The White Castle already. All in all, I've found two books by Orhan Pamuk translated in my language. I'll have to check up for English translations to find something else (Snow for instance).
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Anonymous, 4 yr 108 days ago

to uykusuz ...

i dont know what time  you wrote this comment , but i think its funny my friend , do you think a writer like orhan pamuk  will do something like that to gain reputation ??  I dont think so

I hope u've learned - from his books - that the words  republic , vatan  and ataturk arn't  adorable, just try to see the other side of them and  compare between the political devolopment of your country  and the onr of other countries that you wanna join them !

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Anonymous, 4 yr 100 days ago

MANY GOOD TURKS SAVED ARMENIANS AT THE RISK OF THEIR OWN LIVES AND FAMILIES. MY ARMENIAN UNCLE WAS SAVED THAT WAY DURING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 1915-1923. UNFORTUNATELY THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH "RIGHTEOUS" TURKS.

 THE OTTOMAN GOVERNMENT WAS DETERMINED TO "PURIFY" TURKEY AND ATATURK'S NEW REPUBLIC FINISHED THE JOB.

YESNIG

Anonymous, 4 yr 94 days ago
my favourite book of him is The Black Book...White Castle and the snow is not as good as silent house or the black book...
Anonymous, 4 yr 92 days ago
I adore The Black Book too and prefer it to The White Castle and The My Name is Red. Unfortunately in my country haven't translated The Snow yet, or I've never heard about it.
Secret_sam007  +  130759 Fri, 26 Aug 05 03:38 AM
 "...the so-called Armenian genocide and so-called massacre of Kurdish people...."
What a load of tosh! (now there's an English word you don’t hear much any more!),
those massacres are a matter of historical fact!

Every bit as much as the German genocide of Jews, Poles, Russian & Gypsy;
the Japanse in China, Rwanda, Serbia, or the rape of Nanking.

To deny history like that is mere nationalism, and it not worthy of any scholar...
Or do you think the large Armenian Christian minority all went on a holiday perhaps...??

The history - both written and pictorial of those massacres still exists today, and is horrifying in its barbarity.
While the absolute numbers were far exceeded later by the Germans, Japanese and Communists,
the fact still remains that some 800,000 to 1,500,000 people were massacred- upto some 80% of the then Armenian population.
Its interesting to compare that the later holocaust (of Jewish, Polish & Slavic people) which while far larger, killed less proportionately of these populations...(some 30 to 40% from memory).

Those who do not confront their history are condemned to repeat it....is often quoted in history...

Obviously not only Turkey committed such acts in the past - I’m partly Australian - and aside from the issues about English people colonizing Australia and taking their land - we undoubtedly murdered or imprisoned large numbers of Aboriginal Australians in the 1800s - certainly in the many 10,000s - but we'll never know truly how many as they were never counted in those days.
I’m also partly English - and English hands are certainly not without blood (especially in the middle-east - even today..),
including massacres in India, the middle-east and Africa during its bloody colonial past,
but thankfully not on a genocidal scale.

Please leave nationalism out of this discourse - its Turkey that’s having the bad reputation today for not confronting its past;
many international bodies have demanded it, heck they've been sued in Americia for it!
Its the prosecution of a Turkish writer who dared to speak the truth that only shows Turkey in a bad and dishonorable light today.

The growing peace with the Kurds is a positive step and we all aplaud Turkey for making the difficult peace (as England has eventually done in Nortern Ireland), but  please build on this, acknowledge your own failings in the Armenian past, apologize (and perhaps make some ammends) and move on...

As an example of a country that hasn’t  - look at Japan's still poisonous relations with China (and most of Asia, and even many older Australians still)  for not doing admitting their own (far larger scale) massacres in China - some 10,000,0000+ by all accounts.

Regards,
Mark
UK


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Nonconformist  +  131207 Sat, 27 Aug 05 09:47 AM
Bu adam niye heryerde soykırım diye yırtınıyo anlamış değilim..Sakın cevap vermeyin bu adama konuşsun dursun..bi üsttekinden bahsediyorum bu arada Orhan Pamuk 'tan değil Smile [:)]
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Anonymous, 4 yr 69 days ago
    after almost a century later after mass dissappearnce of armenians, wittnessing the collapsing of centuries of old churches in the mighty mountains of east (of Turkey) makes you enough sad. Many rats took the advantage of this mass dissapperaance. Of course, facist ideology was spreaded all over to judge the actions. Many tastes, many faces irreverseably lost from beatiful asia minor. Well, what we have is now ruins of an extinct tribe of asia minor.Centuries we lived peacfully. Same blood is now flowing in our veins. Sorrow is ours.
    I am sick of this -western type- statistical approach to world conflicts. I am sick of seeing the leaders of the civilized nations stressing the discrimination issues with great sense and importance. How ironic same nations, don't hesitate going on war with concordane with their economical benefits (That's what they do!) or keeping billions of dollars unchecked accounts on their banks.
   more than 100k death in iraq, whose responsible for that, saddam, US? it didn't happen 90 years ago, who are still producing the guns? why people once brothers are now killing each other? How is this rage growing? OK I DECIDED TO FACE WITH MY HISTORY, I AM VERY SORRY FOR THE GENOSIDE! Happy? Can I get in to EU now?

" The growing peace with the Kurds is a positive step"--> thx dude, your comment appreciated. By the way, have been in kurdish region of Turkey?
Anonymous, 4 yr 69 days ago
 "...the so-called Armenian genocide and so-called massacre of Kurdish people...."
What a load of tosh! (now there's an English word you don’t hear much any more!),

look mate, How can you try to be so democratic, but don't hasitate to make fun of somebody's word whose native language is far more different than yours.

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